Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, but what is that story that one time Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī was invited to . . . He wanted to get invitation or he was invited to speak, and they put so many conditions on his speaking. It was some place.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They said, "Now you cannot speak on such and such subject." He agreed, "All right."
Prabhupāda: I think there was a Vaiṣṇava meeting inaugurated by Mahārāja Maṇīndrānandī. You are referring to that. (break) When I was visiting, I used to sit on his couch. Yes, like . . . Guru Mahārāja was sitting on the couch, so I took him as ordinary gentleman. So then nobody asked me that, that "You are sitting? Get down." No. Nobody asked me. Then I was seeing that all other big, big disciples, they are sitting down. So then I began to sit down. Neither Guru Mahārāja told me, neither anybody told me.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What kind of a . . . It was a regular couch . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . .or a cauki?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not cauki; couch. That padded couch, bench.
Prabhupāda: Sofa, sofa, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, boy. You were a young man at that time.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But no one said anything.
Prabhupāda: Not very young. It was in 19 . . . Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 1923?
Prabhupāda: No. '23, of course, when I first met him, he was sitting, ground. I was also. At Mathurā there was party, parikramā party, in 1933. So I went to see that party, what they are doing, Gauḍīya Maṭha, out of inquisitiveness.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It was at that time.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You mentioned once that most of the parikramā devotees, they wanted to go on parikramā, but he was speaking?
Prabhupāda: Yes. So I did not go to parikramā, so he very much appreciated. There was announcement that "Now parikramā will start in the evening at five, and Prabhupāda also will speak. So anyone who wants to hear Prabhupāda, he can stay. Others be ready for going." So about a dozen men remained, and all went to parikramā. So I was at that time new man—not exactly new man, but not recognized disciple. I did not go. So he saw that I am sitting, I did not go to parikramā. He very much appreciated. I preferred to hear him than go to parikramā. That he appreciated.
Hari-śauri: That was the same time that you took initiation?
Prabhupāda: Yes. After that, I took initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where was the initiation ceremony?
Prabhupāda: That Allahabad.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In Allahabad.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So from Mathurā everyone went to Allahabad?
Prabhupāda: Yes, or they went to somewhere. But I came back. From Allahabad I went to Mathurā, and I came back to Allahabad at my own place.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Initiation was held at that Gauḍīya Maṭha in Allahabad?
Prabhupāda: Hah. At that time that Gauḍīya Maṭha also not there. That is at a rented house.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did you help to build that one?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did you help to establish that Gauḍīya Maṭha? Of that was after?
Prabhupāda: No, majority was paid by one of my Godbrothers, that three thousand, purchasing land. Then gradually developed. We used to pay something. (break) . . .before to here?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. He has come many times, Tarun Babu.Prabhupāda: He came many times? (end)