Dr. Patel: Krishnamurti, I read a couple of books. He said that nothing, everything...
Prabhupāda: Does he say anything about Kṛṣṇa?
Dr. Patel: Yes, he does say.
Prabhupāda: What does he say?
Dr. Patel: He says the Kṛṣṇa's all names are all, God is also His name. Because the God, it is Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: No, no. What does he say about personal Kṛṣṇa? Does he know anything?
Bhāgavata: He said, "You are your own guru," Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is...
Devotee: I have heard him.
Prabhupāda: You see? Kṛṣṇa says, tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet... (MU 1.2.12). Tad viddhi praṇipātena (BG 4.34). He says, "Everyone is guru." Just see. "Everyone is guru." Then why you are instructing? Why you are becoming guru?
Dr. Patel: He's not becoming guru of anybody.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Why does he say that "You do this"? That is guru. Guru means one who orders. That is guru. That means you reject all other gurus... That means... He means to say that "You reject all other gurus. Accept me guru." That's all.
Guest (3): That is not... That is what he...
Prabhupāda: That is competition.
Guest (3): All gurus are like that. All gurus are like that.
Bhava-bhūti:. He's writing many books saying "There's no need for books."
Prabhupāda: Ācchā. Now see. He says, "There is no need of books." And he writes books, Kṛṣṇa books.
Guest (3): Yes. Yes. What you have
Bhāgavata: He said, Everything is within you. So you are your own guru and..."
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Bhāgavata: ...everything will be revealed to you."
Dr. Patel: It may be within him, all right. He must drag it out.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Now, just see how he is making nonsense competition.
Guest (3): Vaśārambhaṇam. (?)
Prabhupāda: Vaśārambhaṇam.
Dr. Patel: Vaśārambhaṇaṁ caro nāmadheyam (?). (break)
Prabhupāda: He's writing books, and he says, "There is no need of books."
Guest (3): He has written so many books, not one.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) ...nonsense. Directly. You, that... Our, our criterion is, because we are Kṛṣṇa conscious people, Kṛṣṇa says,
- na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
- prapadyante narādhamāḥ
- māyayāpahṛta-jñānā
- āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ
- (BG 7.15)
So anyone we see that he does not know about Kṛṣṇa, he's a mūḍha.
Dr. Patel: Catur-vidhā bhajante mām...
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Dr. Patel: I think we are of one of those four categories. Or we are also mūḍha?
Prabhupāda: No, no, no.
Dr. Patel: No. At least, give us some claim. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: You are, you are catur-vidhā.
Guest (3): Arthārthī.
Prabhupāda: Not arthārthī. Jñānī. No, I must give the proper position. Jñānī...
Dr. Patel: You have, you have admitted at the end, before these boys.
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Dr. Patel: You have rehabilitated me. (laughter) (break)
Prabhupāda: ...pious, how you would come daily to see the maṅgala-ārati? This is the proof.
Dr. Patel: That is, we are, we are brought up like that from our...
Prabhupāda: That is, that means you are pious.
Guest (3): You are pious.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Śucīnāṁ sukṛtāṁ gṛhe.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (3): Yoga-bhraṣṭa...
Dr. Patel: Yoga-bhraṣṭa... (break)
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Mākhanalāl: Sufi philosophy, there's one professor, so-called professor, Baba Ramdas. He says there's no need for talking, but he has many thousands of followers. They all gather around him.
Prabhupāda: But he's talking.
Mākhanalāl: Yes. But he's talking.
Prabhupāda: He's talking. These are the defects.
Dr. Patel: Huh?
Prabhupāda: Some rascal has said that "There is no need of talking." But this is also talking, "There is no need of talking." Why he's talking?
Dr. Patel: Just a rascal says, "There is no need of cutting."
Prabhupāda: No. That is another thing.
Mākhanalāl: But he is trying to... (break)
Prabhupāda: Sevayā praṇipātena. Sevayā. (break)
Dr. Patel: I, I... Do you like it? I have to ask you.
Prabhupāda: No. Thank you so much.
Dr. Patel: Do you like it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: I wear it for you.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: All this... How do you like? (break) (kīrtana) (end)