Devotee (5) : I'm sorry it took so long, but I had a little trouble getting through to them.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (5): First their..., first the telephone service were not free, and then their line was busy for some time. So I just got through to them a few minutes ago, and he says it wasn't printed by the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Devotee (5) : He said they did it independently, unauthorized from Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, and he already chastised them for using the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust label, 'cause it has nothing to do with the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.
Prabhupāda: Who is he?
Devotee (5) : Uhhh, I'm not sure. Who sent it? Bahulāśva? That devotee named Bahulāśva.
Devotee (6) : Bahulāśva and Bhakti dāsa.
Devotee (5) : And who else?
Devotee (6) : Jayānanda. But Jayānanda... I saw this printed in L.A. before I came here.
Devotee (5) : Ohh.
Devotee (6) : So I don't think it's a San Francisco endeavor.
Devotee (7) : The separations were all...
Devotee (5) : No, he said it was done there.
Devotee (6) : Oh, in San Francisco?
Devotee (5) : Yeah, they printed it while the festival was going on in India, and he didn't know anything about it until he came back and saw that it was all printed. He said they were going to use it for some, something to do with lectures.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Devotee (5) : They were going to use it to introduce lectures and so forth.
Prabhupāda: When it was not published, so why did he publish unauthorized?
Devotee (5) : Oh, I don't know. He said that he was a little upset about it himself.
Prabhupāda: So this should not take place again. They should be informed that without being passed by the authority, nobody should publish any literature. This is already (indistinct)...
Devotee (5) : Without, without being passed by the authorities...?
Prabhupāda: Should not be published.
Devotee (5) : Does that mean the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust trustees?
Prabhupāda: Yes. So those who are managing that why their (indistinct)? Where does he live?
Devotee (3) : I, we're still not sure who published it, uh, Bahulāśva or Dharmādhyakṣa? Has anybody, did you recommend?
Devotee (5) : Rameśvara told me that they are the ones who did it, from the San Francisco center. (indistinct) he mentioned, and a Dharmādhyakṣa.
Devotee (3) : Mm hm. He's in LA.
Devotee (5) : He mentioned those two. He didn't mention the others. He said they were...
Prabhupāda: Bahulāśva published, published?
Devotee (5): He said Bahulāśva and Dharmādhyakṣa.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Devotee (5): Dharmādhyakṣa. I don't know who he is.
Devotee (3): It's the colleges.
Devotee (5): Oh. They're, I think, in charge of the college program.
Prabhupāda: The idea is good, but (indistinct). Impersonal.
Devotee (5): Hm.
Prabhupāda: Impersonal is not good.
Devotee (5): So if someone was to receive this, they wouldn't necessarily connect it with you at all. They could think it was anything, 'cause there's no mention of your name.
Prabhupāda: Who published it?
Devotee (5): Uhh, I don't know who printed it.
Prabhupāda: That you did not ask?
Devotee (5): Rameśvara didn't know anything about who printed it or how many copies were printed or anything. He said all he knew was that it was put together by Bahulāśva and Dharmādhyakṣa.
Prabhupāda: So ask them.
Devotee (5): I have to, to contact them and find out how it was actually... Should I write them a letter?
Prabhupāda: He just sent one letter. You, you write.
Devotee (5): This letter? (pause)
Prabhupāda: Oh he, he is informed you are going?
Devotee (5): Rameśvara? Oh, yeah. They're waiting.
Prabhupāda: So, (indistinct).
Devotee (5): Well, they sent the tickets today, but we have not made the reservation yet. We were waiting for them to... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...that place was selected...
Devotee (5): Hmm.
Prabhupāda: ...for (indistinct). (indistinct)
Devotee (7): Do you want to establish one center there?
Prabhupāda: (indistinct).
Devotee (7): Yeah, I would like to help.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (7): I would like to help.
Prabhupāda: Yes. .....break.....
Devotee (7): ...(indistinct)?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Especially when there is...
Devotee (7): (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: This Ratha-yātrā is in memory of Kṛṣṇa's coming there with His brother and sister during one eclipse, to take bath, coming from Dvārakā.
Devotee (7): And the gopīs also assembled there?
Prabhupāda: The gopīs got the information that Kṛṣṇa is coming from Dvārakā, so from Vṛndāvana they went to see Him. And when Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī met, that Rādhārāṇī lamented that Kṛṣṇa—He was the same Kṛṣṇa and the same Rādhārāṇī—so "this is not a good meeting place. So, if You come to Vṛndāvana, then I shall be happy." So it is inviting Kṛṣṇa to Vṛndāvana. That is the feeling of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Ratha-yātrā. He is inviting Kṛṣṇa to Vṛndāvana. So in Jagannātha Purī still the same feelings are there. Kṛṣṇa, Jagannātha, from the temple goes to Guṇḍicā. So, Lakṣmī is angry that "Kṛṣṇa is leaving me, He has gone to Vṛndāvana." So she was, she is punishing. That is called Herā-pañcamī. Punishing the servants of Kṛṣṇa. The maidservants of Lakṣmī chastising them, threatened them, "Why without permission?" So they, out of very fearful condition, offering their respect to Lakṣmī, "Mother, you don't be sorry (indistinct), we are (indistinct)." So this, this is the play performed, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu associates they saw, and they enjoyed very much when the maidservant of Lakṣmī was slapping the servant of Viṣṇu. That is mentioned Caitanya-caritāmṛta. All the servants arrested, brought before Lakṣmī, and they are punished. But they came to invite Kṛṣṇa, Rādhārāṇī and other gopīs. And actually they do not go at that time. But this Ratha-yātrā ceremony means Kṛṣṇa is coming from Dvārakā to Kurukṣetra. This is the history of Ratha-yātrā.