Prabhupāda: But sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Now, these people, they are hite ratāḥ of limited circle, that's all.
Mr. Sar: Oh. That is why their... This path is not good for mankind.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore, according to Vedic civilization, one must accept sannyāsa at a certain stage.
Mr. Sar:kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām
- avyaktā hi gatir duḥkhaṁ
- dehavadbhir avāpyate
- (BG 12.5)
Dr. Patel: Ye tu sarvāṇi karmāṇi mayi sannyāsya mat-parāḥ (BG 12.6). Now, you have all your...
Prabhupāda: Sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ (BG 5.25), that, it is very difficult. Because even Mahatma Gandhi, such a great person, he said, "Englishman, you go away." Just see. Who can be better than Mahatma Gandhi?
Dr. Patel: And he must have life like Bharata.
Dr. Patel: Jaḍa Bharata.
Prabhupāda: Is there possibility? He was so sacrificeful, but still, he was not sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ (BG 5.25). Whole struggle was "Englishman, you get out."
Dr. Patel: Sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ will be like Jaḍa Bharata.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ means who is devotee of Kṛṣṇa. He is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ.
Dr. Patel: Because Kṛṣṇa's representative.
Prabhupāda: He is the root. Aham ādir hi devānām (BG 10.2). Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ (BG 10.8). The root, if you water the root, then sarva-bhūta hite ratāḥ, the water will go to the branches, to the twigs, to the leaves, to the flowers. He is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ (BG 5.25). They do not know the way how to become sarva-bhūta-hite. And because... Just see the example. I am not becoming proud, but because I have got little taste for it, therefore I am preaching all over the world. I don't say I am perfect. I have got little taste of kṛṣṇa-bhakti. So I have no distinction that "This is Indian. This is American. This is African." Everyone, I am giving this hari-nāma. This is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ, no distinction. We are trying to give protection to the cows, to the animals, to the trees. This is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Unless one is... Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad... (SB 5.18.12) If one is not devoted to Kṛṣṇa, he cannot become sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām (BG 12.5). Simply they will suffer, that's all.