Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How will your movement give anybody brains?
Prabhupāda: As other things are giving brain. Just like a dull, a dull child is educated and he passes M.A. examination. He becomes very intelligent person by education. This is their education. Even if you have no brain, I can give you brain. So it is not brainwashing; it is brain-giving. But because you are rascal, you'll not accept.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This will not be very popular with the common people, to be told...
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: People will not very much appreciate being told they have no brains.
Prabhupāda: Actually it is that. "No intelligence" you can say.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No intelligence. That'll be...
Ādi-keśava: But we can say that... Their accusation is that one loses identity. They say we are brainwashing, lose our identity.
Prabhupāda: Then you do not know what is your identity.
Ādi-keśava: So they don't know that identity.
Prabhupāda: You are falsely identifying with this body. You do not know. Therefore you have no brain or intelligence.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What would you have us identify with? How would you have us identify?
Prabhupāda: Identify that the thing which has gone out of this body, that is your identity.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that?
Prabhupāda: That is that soul.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nobody can see the soul.
Prabhupāda: That does not mean there is no thing. At night, suppose if you, at night you don't find any light, you can understand that there is no light. Otherwise at night this is darkness. If there is somebody, there would have been light.
Hari-śauri: Symptoms of life.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Ādi-keśava: So those people who may not want to hear that they are not...
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, rascal. A dog will not hear, that does not mean he has brain or he has intelligence.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's the proof he's a dog. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: That he's a dog. We are not going to give any credit to the dogs and cats. So you have to fight like this. Think over. There are different brain.