Prabhupāda: You have got any (indistinct). Where is Girirāja?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He went into the city today for picking up the fixed deposit receipts. That was the main thing.
Prabhupāda: City?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Delhi. Because the receipts are being turned over to the head office, so they have to be endorsed there. So he went for that purpose. There's not much more to do now with this Panchashil flat, because we're going to give it. So simply it will be up to Vrindavan to make up the necessary document for transferring it. I think it doesn't even require a big document. Simply a letter on behalf of Your Divine Grace saying that "We give this apartment to you."
Prabhupāda: But one thing, if they can dispose?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, they may try and sell it.
Prabhupāda: No, no, I don't want that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, but when you give them that, that's what they may do.
Prabhupāda: Then don't give him. Let them live there, but...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So then the question again comes up, which I mentioned to you, that if they're paying corporation taxes and other taxes, then they become the legal tenant, and a tenant does not lose the right of tenancy at his death. His children inherit it.
Prabhupāda:. Well, what is that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. So then it's not for their lifetime; it's forever.
Prabhupāda: There is no harm. They cannot mortgage or...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sublet it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They can simply live. I wanted that because he is formerly working for BBT... Work or not work, we asked him... Therefore we have given them a place to stay in right hand, and they can live, left hand, all of them. They cannot have the right to mortgage, sale, like that. That is our aim. They can live happily. This much I want. And if we give them right of proprietorship, the rascal may sell it or get out.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes, they will do that. Then they'll have nowhere to live. That's what your older son... M. M. will do that.
Prabhupāda: That I cannot allow. They're allowed to live, that's all. Then, after that, whatever...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, what happens if, on their own, they sublet it to someone else? Supposing on their own they make an agreement with someone. Say someone pays them twenty thousand rupees and they move out? That they won't do...
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...because they won't be able to get another apartment. Yes. I don't see how they would sublet it. There would be no purpose to it. They might, though.
Prabhupāda: No subletting.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How do we stop them from subletting?
Prabhupāda: Then they'll have to...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, once someone is there, you can't stop them. We could take them to court. It's not very likely, that's a fact. In other words, they're not paying rent...
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...so how can they sublet? If you're not paying rent, you can't sublet.
Prabhupāda: And there is no much room, that's all, for sub... The place is still insufficient for...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, I mean supposing they were to move out completely and let someone else move in?
Prabhupāda: Than that must be stopped. Sublet, they cannot.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Supposing, you know, they move out completely and someone pays them a thousand rupees a month? And with that thousand or more they get some other place?
Prabhupāda: Then they'll have to vacate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: See, once they pay corporation taxes, they can claim tenancy. And a tenant... I can give you an example. In Calcutta, in Albert Road, where we currently have our temple, it was being rented by one member friend. Then he let Jayapatākā stay there, and then we took over. Of course, he was paying rent, but still, they can also be looked upon as a tenant because they'll be paying taxes.
Prabhupāda: Then you pay tax. Cut down from their pension. Huh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, it could be done.
Prabhupāda: We pay, and you cut down. Other tenants are there. But not tenants-occupier. What they are doing?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, they're going to pay corporation taxes. See, we're the actual owners of the flat. There's no other instance like this. The other people who own the flats, they live in it. But we don't live in it; they live in it. So the flat is owned by us, but if they pay taxes and stuff, they're going to get the receipts in their name. I don't think they're going to get the receipts in your name.
Prabhupāda: Why not in my name?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. If they get the receipt in your name, then the matter ends right there.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then it's simple. It's only if they get the receipt in their own name...
Prabhupāda: No, in my name.