Prabhupāda: ...about animals not willing to die. Why? What is the psychology? Nobody wants to die.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They will ask: "How do I know that animals do not want to die?"
Prabhupāda: That is another foolishness. As soon as you want to kill, it cries. Man or animal, anyone. Even the trees, they feel pain. That is also... You do not know that?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: No. They feel pain. You know Jagadisha Bose's pulsitation...? What is called?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Pulsation?
Prabhupāda: The trees feel when you cut, they feel. There is machine. They, he discovered this. You have not been in Calcutta, Sir Jagadish Institute?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Probably not.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He, he discovered this wireless, Marconi's. Marconi took advantage from him. They were talking together and when Marconi got the hint from him, he immediately published. it was his invention, Sir Jagadish. Therefore he invented this pulsation of the trees. and started the Sir Jagadish Institution in Calcutta. So there is painful feeling even of the trees, what to speak of others.
Brahmānanda: Even a small insect...
Prabhupāda: Anyone.
Brahmānanda: He'll run away so quickly. You try to go to him.
Prabhupāda: As soon you try to kill or attack, then he protests. And there is feeling also. Why? Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because they want to enjoy the material world.
Prabhupāda: If you say so, then material enjoyment or enjoyment, material or spiritual, it doesn't matter...