Krishna Tiwari: Oh, we are still trying to... You have to try very hard to find out these things. My question is, when I say-wait a minute, let me talk something. When I say I do not know, that does not necessarily mean that others know. And you are taking this (indistinct) point. I am saying in my humbleness that I do not know, and you come up, "Well, I know that." Because I don't know, you are suppose to know. That's not true. I just say you don't know either. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No, no, that... But you cannot say, also, because you do not know, others do not know. You cannot say.
Krishna Tiwari: No. I never said that. I don't..., I didn't say that.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: You did. You just did.
Krishna Tiwari: No, but you'll come back and tell me that "I know." Then I cannot believe you that because I said I don't know, you have to know.
Prabhupāda: "I, I know" means I know from the authority, who knows.
Krishna Tiwari: How? Which authority is that?
Prabhupāda: That, I say, I present this, Vedas authority. You don't...
Krishna Tiwari: (indistinct) with those.
Prabhupāda: You do not believe in the Vedas, that is a different thing. But I am saying I know from the authority.
Krishna Tiwari: I have seen that. I have seen, I have lived in India.
Prabhupāda: That is my position.
Krishna Tiwari: I have lived in everywhere. If Vedas were all that great and we have followed Vedas for thousand of years...
Prabhupāda: No. You might have...
Krishna Tiwari: ...look what it has done to the country.
Prabhupāda: You might have faith...
Devotee (1): (indistinct) is still there.
Prabhupāda: But Vedas are still...
Krishna Tiwari: In what situation?
Prabhupāda: It is not what situation. It is what situation for you. You do not believe.
Krishna Tiwari: (indistinct) is doing much better.
Prabhupāda: But Vedas, authorities have not been accepted by all the ācāryas, by the, all the brāhmaṇas, all great personalities in India? That is our authority. Now, you don't believe in authority. That is you have become deviated from Vedas. That is the point.