That is good thing, that is healing? Do you think honestly, there is healing? There is no disease?
Robert Gouiran: Yes. It's not because some American hospital are not healer that healing does not exist.
Prabhupāda: No, no, they're trying, everyone is trying to heal, American or Englishman or European, it doesn't matter. Everyone is trying but there is no healing. That is our point.
Guru-gaurāṅga: He's saying that there is a value to temporary healing.
Prabhupāda: That's a... Temporary value, we also give but we say there is no healing.
Yogeśvara: Ah, yes, healing in the sense that it will never happen again.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: It is in his mind, that he thinks that he is healed. Just like if you have a disease and then you have terrible disease that produces headache and so you take aspirin to relieve the headache, but still the disease is there. So he thinks, "I am O.K. now."
Robert Gouiran: Wait, I say that taking aspirin is not a good healing.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: This is example. The disease is still there.
Robert Gouiran: Well, but it is by such example that we could be misled.
Prabhupāda: That is good thing, that is healing? Do you think honestly, there is healing? There is no disease?
Robert Gouiran: I have seen healings.
Prabhupāda: What is that you have seen, that he is not diseased? You have seen a man temporarily healed but why he suffers from another disease? Do you guarantee that there will be no disease? Can you guarantee?
Robert Gouiran: No more.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Robert Gouiran: No, because I don't know anything...
Prabhupāda: Then where is the healing? If there is disease, this disease... You simply distinguish from this disease to that disease.
Robert Gouiran: So how do you call a temporary...
Prabhupāda: That is admitted. That is admitted. I say you may have some temporary healing effect, but there is no healing. That is our point.
Robert Gouiran: So you call it temporary healing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's all. But there is no healing.
Robert Gouiran: So what do you think about temporary healing?
Prabhupāda: Temporary means temporary healing. That's all. (indistinct) Ultimately, you cannot heal. But you're satisfied by temporary heal. But we want complete healing. No more disease.