Prabhupāda: Yes, that is called vikāra, transformation of spiritual platform. Yes.
Indian: But still there is something more, something more.
Prabhupāda: No, that is the... When one cries, transformed, that means he's realizing Kṛṣṇa.
Indian: Yes, yes...
Prabhupāda: He's realizing like that. That is realization. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also used to do that. That is highest stage, mahā-bhāva.
Indian: Mahā-bhāva, yes...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian: So then I go in bhajana, wash out everything; I feel myself that there is only soul, no body. And then you see a man who sings or who are present, you see, they are also not their body. Simply soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes, forget all material... Yes.