Dr. Patel: (break) (laughing) You have been very unkind to people.
Prabhupāda: He is a first-class Carvaka, he is.
Bhāgavata: The dog is also trying to defend himself against the Lord.
Prabhupāda: No. That is not the question. Question is anyone who does not know what is God, he is a Carvaka, that's all. Mūḍha nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param ayayam. He's a Carvaka. That's all. The same bodily concept. Russian, American, Chinese. Then? Yasyātmā-buddhiḥ kunape tri-dhātuke, sa eva go-kharaḥ (SB 10.84.13).
Indian man (3): They are innocent. They are not...
Dr. Patel: Innocent?
Prabhupāda: No, they are not innocent; they are stupid. (laughter) They are not innocent. They will never agree...
Indian man (3): There are so many Indians, they are also not...
Dr. Patel: No, they are also like that.
Prabhupāda: Huh? The simple thing explained in the Bhagavad-gītā... Simple thing explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, asmin dehe dehinām: "Within this body there is the proprietor." So they do not understand it. Huh?
Indian man (3): That comes after, after...
Indian man (4): Guru, you should go? Then only perfect knowledge he will get.
Yaśomatīnandana: Guru is there. Why don't they come?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Guru is there, but they won't come. They won't come.
Dr. Patel: That jagat guru is, you are, sir.
Prabhupāda: It is injunction of the śāstra. Tad-vijñānārtham sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). But who is coming to guru? Guru is canvassing whole world, "Please come to me."
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) (break)