Guru gives
Srimad-Bhagavatam
SB Canto 6
Lectures
Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures
General Lectures
- pañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ
- bhakta-rūpa svarūpakam
- bhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ
- namāmi bhakta-śaktikam
Philosophy Discussions
Śyāmasundara: But how does someone prove that something exists beyond his..., beyond our senses?
Prabhupāda: That I have already explained. Just like child does not know. He simply sees the fan is running-superficially. But he does not know that there is electricity power, and there is a powerhouse. So that is lack of knowledge. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā says, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]. After many, many births, one comes to the real knowledge, and that is vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]. Then he knows that Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, is the original (indistinct). It is a question of knowing, and knowing through the direct current via media-guru. Otherwise he remains in darkness. Therefore guru-namastaya. Ajñāna timirāndasya. Everyone is blind by the darkness of ignorance. Jñānāñjana śalākayā. And the guru's business is to lighten ignorance, the śalāka. What is called, śalāka?
Devotee: Lamp.
Śyāmasundara: Torch.
Prabhupāda: Torch. Yes. Torchlight. The torchlight. Guru gives the torchlight, jñānāñjana śalākayā. What is that torchlight? By awakening his dormant knowledge. That is torch. Then he can see what is world.
Śyāmasundara: So the proof that one accepts for something which is beyond our sense is not necessarily scientific?
Prabhupāda: Not at all. What to speak of scientific, it is completely ignorant. There is no question of science. It is simply darkness.Conversations and Morning Walks
1973 Conversations and Morning Walks
1974 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: Everyone knows that "Here is a stone statue." Then so many hundred and thousands of people are coming to worship that stone statue? Somebody can argue. The atheist will argue. And when... So... We have got millions of temples. Especially in South India and Jagannātha Purī and many where. So are they going, spending so much money to worship a statue? That is forbidden. Guruṣu nara-matiḥ. Guru should not be considered in that way. If he's actually guru.
Dr. Patel: Guru, guru's śakti on his disciples comes from...
Prabhupāda: The same.
Dr. Patel: ...either way. Where the śiṣya draws his power and guru gives it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but if he has no power, how he can give?
Dr. Patel: But... That is what I say. So we have to take guru as God.
Prabhupāda: So therefore guru as God, not distinction that guru is so much God, and he is so much God.
Dr. Patel: I don't say distinction. I...
Prabhupāda: No, you said that distinction of body, distinction...
Dr. Patel: I did not say that. You have to understood it differently.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I am not. It is the guru principle we are talking. That is about guru.
Dr. Patel: I want to learn from you.
Prabhupāda: I am not guru. I am... I am... This is... The guru has no material body. Just like the statue is not material, similarly, guru's body is not material.
Dr. Patel: You say that those gurus who appear as material body, you are not to take it as a material body. Say that way. Because we are little...
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Not to take it. It is actually. If it is material body, then how they are getting benefits? If it is a material body. The same example: if it is iron rod, how it is burning? It is fire. When there is burning, you must assume it is fire. Why do you take, "Oh, it is iron rod"? Phalena paricīyate. Phalena paricīyate. By the result you have to... Therefore it is said, yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **. We, we have no direct contact with Bhagavān, but guru, being representative of Bhagavān, if we satisfy guru, then Bhagavān becomes... Identical. Therefore it is warned: vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ. Similarly, vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ. "Here is a European Vaiṣṇava, he's Indian Vaiṣṇava, it is brāhmaṇa Vaiṣṇava and śūdra Vaiṣṇava." No. That is also, that is also offense.
Dr. Patel: That is wrong. Vaiṣṇava is Vaiṣṇava.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, to consider guru's body as material, that is also wrong.1976 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: When one is actually in service, then he comes to.... "So I have enjoyed. Now, no I don't want. Now I want Kṛṣṇa." That is voluntary.
Devotee (2): But is it the guru? Does the guru give him that sense?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Guru is traveling all over the world, "Take this science." If one is fortunate he can take.
Devotee (3): Those persons who are atheistic, they say that God is created out of a necessity, that people have a necessity to have their father image, so therefore they create religion. This is their basic philosophy, that man creates his own religion. He creates it out of necessity. He needs a father image, so therefore he creates the idea of God.
Prabhupāda: Created? What is that?
Devotee (3): No. They feel that we have created, man has created the idea of God out of necessity.
Devotee (4): The atheists are saying that man needs God although there is no God. They are insecure in this world.
Prabhupāda: What is God?
Devotee (3): They feel basically that it's an idea. God is an idea.
Prabhupāda: Why it is idea? Explain. What for this idea? Why this idea is necessary?
Devotee (1): Basically I think because in the Western countries there's no conception of God.
Prabhupāda: They.... Those who have no conception, that is another thing. But those who talk of God, that there is God or there is no God, what is the conception of God? That is.... Why do they say there is no God? Why do they say there is God? Somebody accept there is God. Somebody does not accept. So, there are two causes.
Hari-śauri: The basic principle is that God is there, so you either accept or reject Him.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughs) One is doubtful or one is convinced. God is there. One is doubtful, he says "There is no God." My question is why the question of God is there?Prabhupāda: The gosvāmīs, they are śrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau. Now prove! They are descendants, now prove: come forward. Śrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau. Simply sitting at home. And in Bengal there is Nityānanda-vaṁśa. What is Nityānanda-vaṁśa? Nityānanda went forward before Jagāi-Mādhāi and He was hurt. Blood came out. Where is that Nityānanda-vaṁśa? Fight between Jagāi-Mādhāi and Nityānanda. That is Nityānanda-vaṁśa, simply taking advantage of coming from Nityānanda-vaṁśa, "I have become guru, give me your money," and sit down. "Let me enjoy life with my wife and children." That kind of Nityānanda-vaṁśa will not help. Come forward to fight. This fighting is now here. You can show the newspaper clipping. (Hindi) big arrangement to fight this. First of all they thought that so many swamis and yogis come, all rascals, they stay for some time and go away. Even Vivekananda. (laughter) So this is not a bogus movement, it is taking stand. So now they are threatened and they are combining together especially the Christian... (Hindi) But in each heading there is Kṛṣṇa. [break] ...bring various charges against our...
Guest: Mind control, brainwashing.1977 Conversations and Morning Walks
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But it says, guru-kṛṣṇa-prasāde pāya, bhakti-latā-bīja [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. So it's fortunate because the guru gives the...
Prabhupāda: So that fortune is... By fortune he gets a guru. And by the instruction of guru he gets Kṛṣṇa. So to create fortune we have to take this regulative principle, to become fortunate that someday he'll be able to meet somebody who is real guru and who will give him real guidance. "Man is the architect of his own fortune." Therefore pious activities and other things, yajña-dāna-tapaḥ-kriyā, these things are recommended, to acquire the qualities of brāhmaṇa. These things are required. If he remains like animal, that fortune will never come. This is the architecture. So that fortune begins when he enters the varṇāśrama-dharma, four varṇas and four āśramas. That is a easiest way. Fortune does not come that "This is very important. Man is the architect of his own fortune." He must accept some process to become fortunate. And if you want to become fortunate through the rich man, you should enter... (microphone moving) ...just like businessman... (microphone moving) And without doing something, how you can get fortune? That is now... There is no such program. The program is just a animal program: eating, sleeping, mating and defend. Therefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so important, to give them the fortune, not immediately but our immediate future, by acting in this way, he'll be fortunate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But we have to show the example of how to act.
Prabhupāda: That is there, the rules and regulations. This Deity worship is accepting regulative principle, abide by the orders of guru. That is there. This is the process. Just like all our disciples, they write that "We have got now life." Because they are trying to follow, they are getting-gradually, gradually.
- ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva
- guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja
- [Cc. Madhya 19.151]
- mālī hañā kare sei bīja āropaṇa
- śravaṇa-kīrtana-jale karaye secana
- [Cc. Madhya 19.152]
Page Title: | Guru gives |
Compiler: | Visnu Murti, Kanupriya |
Created: | 19 of Nov, 2008 |
Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=1, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=5, Con=6, Let=0 |
No. of Quotes: | 12 |