Prabhupāda: Yes. Ramakrishna was a first-class Māyāvādī.
Dr. Patel: Which Ramakrishna?
Prabhupāda: This Ramakrishna Mission.
Dr. Patel: You are a guru. So I don't want to contradict. I am going. (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: No, that is... Then you have got some selection of your own.
Dr. Patel: I have no selection.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: I have to tell the truth. You may like or not like. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I have to say the truth. I am saying all over the world.
Dr. Patel: That may be a truth, but all are not like that.
Prabhupāda: He was a pākā Māyāvādī.
Dr. Patel: That may be a truth...
Prabhupāda: I am still repeating. Repeating.
Dr. Patel: Let us go off.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He was a pākā Māyāvādī. Just like... Just see that he said that he is a worshiper of goddess Kālī. Is it not?
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Eh? And he became God. By worshiping Kālī. Just see how much Māyāvādī he is. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya-devatāḥ: (BG 7.20) "Anyone who is worshiping other demigods, his intelligence is lost." Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ. And this man says that worshiping a demigod, goddess Kālī, he became God. Just see. How much great Māyāvādī he is! Where is the śāstra, where is in the śāstra, Vedic śāstra, that one becomes God by worshiping goddess Kālī?
Dr. Patel: (Sanskrit): Brahma-vid brahma eva bhavati.
Prabhupāda: Is there any evidence? There may...
Dr. Patel: Brahma-vid brahma eva bhavati.
Prabhupāda: That is all right. That is another thing. Just like I gave the example: if you associate with fire, you also become fire. That is another thing, brahma-vid. But here is no question of brahma-vid. Ignorance. Ignorance. Because brahma-vid, the Brahman, Supreme Brahman, says that "Those who are worshiper of demigods, they have lost their intelligence." So how he becomes...? A man who has lost his intelligence, how he can become brahma-vid?