Svarūpa Dāmodara: Just like, Śrīla Prabhupāda, a vulture. When the vulture wants to take off, he will run just like an aeroplane for a certain distance. They cannot just get up immediately. Vulture.
Prabhupāda: So you scientists, you are like vultures. (laughter) You have imitated vultures.
Umāpati: The symbol of the United States is an eagle, which is a bird of prey.
Prabhupāda: No, eagle... Our symbol is also Garuḍa, big eagle. Yes. Big eagle, Garuḍa. And you know Garuḍa is not vegetarian. You know that?
Prajāpati: Snakes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He is not vegetarian. So if one becomes a sincere devotee like Garuḍa, you can allow him to become non-vegetarian. If he cannot give it up. (break)
Nara-nārāyaṇa: Garuḍa is from the jīva-tattva or he is an expansion?
Prabhupāda: No, he is jīva-tattva. Nitya-siddha.
Nara-nārāyaṇa: Does that mean that there is some soul who can come under influence of māyā in the spiritual sky and some soul who cannot?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that potency is there always.
Umāpati: Is that the difference between jīva-tattva and Viṣṇu-tattva.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore Viṣṇu-tattva is called acyuta, infallible.