Commissioner: Who questions the Gītā and the Upaniṣads?
Prabhupāda: It is very difficult. It is very difficult. You see. Big, big scholars, big, big politicians, they are supposed to be preaching Bhagavad-gītā. They take their photograph in front of Bhagavad-gītā—but without Kṛṣṇa. They'll never talk of Kṛṣṇa any time. Banish Kṛṣṇa. Even Gandhi has said: "My imagination of Kṛṣṇa is different." Perhaps you have read in his Gita Press edition. Kṛṣṇa is speaking . . . Radhakrishnan said when Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ, he says: "It is not to the Kṛṣṇa person." Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad bhaktaḥ, and he says it is not to the Kṛṣṇa person. Just see how misleading it is. And if a person like Dr. Radhakrishnan, Gandhi, misleads, then who will hear me? What I am? There is one big person in Bombay, he said that he has set aside ten lakhs of rupees for Gītā-pracāra. But when I proposed Gītā-pracāra means kṛṣṇa-pracāra, so he said: "No, I want Gītā without Kṛṣṇa." (laughter) Everyone . . .
Commissioner: Then who is the Gītā-pracāra? Gītā-pracāra.
Prabhupāda: They are doing that. You can see from this big, big person. Gandhi used to say that he believes in Gītā and Gītā gives him solace in difficult times and so on, so on. But has he ever preached about Kṛṣṇa? Tilok has ever preached about Kṛṣṇa? Radhakrishnan has ever preached Kṛṣṇa? Nobody. Their policy is take Sītā and kill Rāma. Rāvaṇa's policy. Take away Sītā. Take away Gītā and kill Kṛṣṇa. So Rāvaṇa's policy will never be successful. Rāvaṇa's policy means he will be destroyed. You cannot do any harm to Rāma, but he will be destroyed. This policy, that take Sītā and kill Rāma, means he will destroy himself. So this is going on. Take Gītā and kill Kṛṣṇa. This will destroy the whole thing, this Rāvaṇa's policy. And Hanumān's policy, somehow or other rescue Sītā and get her seated by the side of Rāma. Therefore he's worshiped, Vajrāṅgajī. That is the difference between Rāvaṇa's policy. Sītā is the via media. But one is trying to bring back Sītā and seat her by the side of Rāma, and another is trying to take away Sītā and kill Rāma. This wrong policy will not save us. We have to accept the instruction of Gītā and accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Lord. Then everything will be all right. (aside) Prasādam?
So thank you very much for your coming.
Commissioner: Thank you. And to you, Swāmī.
Prabhupāda: So, kindly if you will agree to take the instruction of Gītā, I am always at your service. I'll give you such guidance—our men, our everything. But you have to decide this. You cannot take up this policy, take Gītā and banish Kṛṣṇa.