Prabhupāda: Gradually this GBC, they can take assistants to help them. (indistinct) One change, Toronto, just see (indistinct) not be necessary. Take care (indistinct—more background discussion on map and countries).
Devotee: Twelve zones.
Prabhupāda: Twelve zones means?
Devotees: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Whole world? Let me see. (reading) Southeast Asia, Australia, Japan, Korea, (indistinct), India, Central Asia, Mediterranean, Germany, Africa, South America, British Isles, Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Western Europe, (indistinct). So now you have to specifically mention Mediterranean means this. Similarly, all these center(?) should be specifically mentioned this.
Devotee: I was waiting till Śyāmasundara Prabhu came back.
Prabhupāda: Now so far division made by (indistinct), we are present. I'll represent him, that's all. And who else?
Devotee: Sudāmā Maharaja.
Prabhupāda: Eh? That was I'll represent. So...
Devotee: Gaurasundara.
Prabhupāda: Gaurasundara. He has been already agreed. Girirāja also. Those who are absent, I've written them. Now, so far Hayagrīva
Prabhu is concerned, he has resigned from this. And he'll concentrate on editorial work. And Kīrtanānanda will become the president of New Vrindaban. So, that question is solved. Now, how the New Vrindaban will be managed, that we shall decide.
Devotee: We talked about that this morning, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: So Hayagriva Prabhu is exit from GBC. And now others? Sudāmā is there. So one exit and one new one, Girirāja is there. And, how many of you are now existing actually?
Devotee: There is seven here.
Prabhupāda: Seven here, eight here including Śyāmasundara. So who are those four? One Sudāmā.
Devotee: He is here.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Hamsaduta?
Devotee: Madhuvisa.
Prabhupāda: Madhuvisa is new, from the old.
Devotee: Oh.
Rūpānuga: Kṛṣṇa Dāsa.
Prabhupāda: Eh? So he is out.
Devotee: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Tamal Kṛṣṇa is out. Kṛṣṇa Dāsa is out. Hayagrīva is out. So out of twelve, three out. So who are the nine?
Devotee: Sudāmā and...
Prabhupāda: Eight present here.
Devotee: Haṁsaduta.
Rūpānuga: Seven present including Hayagrīva. So...
Devotee: There's eight present and Hayagrīva's out so that makes seven.
Prabhupāda: You are three and three, six and seven. Oh, seven. So seven, Hayagrīva and present, eight, and three out. So who is the
next nine?
Devotee: Haṁsaduta and Sudāmā.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Sudāmā. That is alright. Then, alright. Now three out.
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: They are Hayagrīva Prabhu and Kṛṣṇa Dāsa Prabhu. Then?
Devotee: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa. So out of the three we are adding Brahmānanda, Girirāja and Madhudviṣa.
Devotee: What about Gaurasundara?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Devotee: (indistinct) America.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Gaurasundara. So, Girirāja, Brahmānanda and Madhudviṣa we want to maintain. Then... (door opens and closes) Three candidates, four, new?
Rūpānuga: Because originally Bali-mardana had a zone but now he's with ISKCON Press so actually he doesn't have a zone any more.
Prabhupāda: Oh. He has... So you are also out. (laughter)
Devotee: It's really a difficult problem.
Prabhupāda: Ah, no problem. GBC means now they should tour very extensive. That is the first principle, the GBC. Not sit down (in)
one place and pass resolution. No, they must be active. They must act like me. As I am old man, I am traveling all over the world.
Now to give me relief, the GBC members... I shall expand into twelve more so that they can exactly work like me. Gradually they will be initiators. At least first initiation. You must make advance. That is my motive. So, in that way I want to divide it in twelve
zones. And we have to make more propaganda throughout the whole world. Now if you think that the world is so big, twelve members are insufficient, then you can increase more than that and make the zone similarly divided. It is world affair after all.
Devotee: Srila Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Devotee: The reason why we have thirteen here is because Bali-mardana, he is actually at the Press, he doesn't actually have a zone
at this time.
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Devotee: So Madhudviña is taking my zone.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee: So only keep thirteen GBC at this point? Will Bali-mardana stay at the Press and be considered GBC?
Prabhupāda: But, he is not going to travel, Bali-mardana?
Devotee: No.
Devotee: Unless he can find a substitute to manage the Press. (indistinct).
Prabhupāda: First point is the GBC member must be extensively traveling.
Devotee: What about my position, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Now, everyone's position will be considered. This is the first thing, extensively traveling.
Devotee: So, the positions of Bali-mardana and Karandhara, they have to remain stationary so much. We have to consider that...
Prabhupāda: No, stationary one thing is that the Bali-mardana, especially Karandhara, he has got already extensive field locally.
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: He has to manage so many things. So extensively touring means for the mission expanding, that is the point. Simply
touring is not required, but doing something substantial to increase the interest of the society. That is the point. So, Karandhara has got many department supervisors(?), so he can be given to work, and sometimes go away (indistinct). So, his position is like that. And similarly Bali-mardana's position is there. He can be also if he has got many engagements, many departments managed there. So he may not tour but our only aim is that one must take multi-responsibilities.
Śyāmasundara: Why not Bali-mardana tour sometimes to check on the foreign literatures, French, German, see how they are going on and
inspect the foreign literature field.