Dr. Patel: Thinking is done by the mind, and mind is not soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So, no, whatever it may be. If I think, if I speak, I am ākāra; I'm not nirākāra. And that is for everyone. This is contra . . .
Guest (4): What is that "everyone"?
Prabhupāda: What it may be. First come to the platform of understanding. As soon as I think, I speak, this speaking, I'm thinking, is not coming from nirākāra.
Guest (4): But what is that "I"?
Prabhupāda: "I" means . . . what do you mean by "I"? I am person, you are person. When I say "I say," you say that we are person. So how you can say nirākāra? It must be common knowledge. When I say "I speak," that is not nirākāra. How it can be nirākāra? It is contradictory.
Guest (4): It is not contradictory, but . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is contradictory. Unless you have got a personality, you cannot speak, you cannot think. So how it is nirākāra? That is my first point. Kṛṣṇa says "aham." He is person. We worship Kṛṣṇa as person. He says, aham ādir hi devānām (BG 10.2). That "aham," He's person. We are accepting Kṛṣṇa as person because He says, aham ādir hi devānām.