Prabhupāda: They have accepted dialectic. They.... Marx says that this should be the conclusion of materialism: ultimately the worker shall enjoy.
Harikeśa: Fruitive, it's very fruitive.
Prabhupāda: That is good idea. But who is the worker, he does not know. Write small pamphlet. Just like our Svarūpa Dāmodara has written small pamphlet. People, general people, they're also rascals, andhā. They can accept these rascals. But why we shall accept?
Harikeśa: This is experimental philosophy.
Prabhupāda: But that.... Experimental philosophy means rascaldom. You do not know actually what is the fact. Then you make experiment. That means you are rascal.
Harikeśa: I meant that this thesis, antithesis...
Prabhupāda: Just like Kṛṣṇa does not say, "Make an experiment." He says the fact: asmin dehe dehinaḥ. "The proprietor of the body is within this body." There is no question of experimenting.
Harikeśa: But that's our thesis.
Prabhupāda: Not.... I say "thesis." Kṛṣṇa do.... Kṛṣṇa says the fact.
Harikeśa: But I mean in order to...
Prabhupāda: But if you don't accept Kṛṣṇa's...
Harikeśa: Yeah, they don't accept. So that, that's our thesis.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Then, then take it as thesis.
Harikeśa: Thesis. So therefore it's an experiment.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not experiment. It is to be subjected to discussion. That is not experiment. Because the fact is there. Now whether it is fact, that you have to discuss.