Prabhupāda: (break) ...you were with Meher Baba?
Harikeśa: No, I was never with Meher Baba. (laughter) I just bring up all these points just so you can defeat them. I was with Maharishi.
Prabhupāda: Maharishi? Oh. You got his mantra? How much you paid for that?
Harikeśa: Thirty-five dollars. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: And what was the mantra?
Harikeśa: "Aing."
Prabhupāda: "Aing"? That's all?
Harikeśa: That's all. And they told me, "Never tell anybody else, 'cause if you tell somebody else the whole thing is ruined."
Prabhupāda: Oh, you are also ruined? No, he is also ruined? No?
Harikeśa: I don't know.
Prabhupāda: Everything ruined means he also ruined.
Harikeśa: For you.
Prabhupāda: No. Yes, that Maharsi Baba. Because he gave the mantra, so if you disclose it, everything is ruined including himself. He is also ruined.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He can't sell any more mantras.
Harikeśa: When I joined the movement I met many other devotees who also had mantras. So I said, "What were your mantras?" They were telling us we all had different mantras. And everybody had the same mantras. It was the same thing. Everyone had the same thing.
Prabhupāda: Just see how he was cheating you.
Indian man (2): I purchased mine.(?)
Prabhupāda: This is such a great cheater, and he has opened university? Just see.
Harikeśa: I used to ask, "What is the goal of all this?" And they would always say, "You can't ask that now. You won't understand. In the future we'll tell you."
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: "After we have your money."
Harikeśa: They keep it very mystical so that you keep thinking in the future you'll get something.
Prabhupāda: The same as the scientists, same.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Actually, Prabhupāda, by your mercy we've been able to see that the whole world is simply cheaters and cheated.
Prabhupāda: That's all. (break)