Prabhupāda: We are mūḍha, and they are big mūḍhas. That's all.
Dr. Patel: That's right. (break) (Indians talk in background) (break)
Prabhupāda: There is no revolution because that is one. Everyone is in agreement with God. That is spiritual world. Therefore there is no question of revolution.
Dr. Patel: If everyone was in agreement with God, there would not have been all sorts of quarrel and Māra-mārī and this... (break)
Prabhupāda: Everyone is not. That is the defect. Everyone is not in agreement.
Guest (1): Actually, they divided into camp... (break)
Prabhupāda: They do not know how these things coming, and how to amend it, how to reform. (break) ...countries, they are not happy.
Dr. Patel: They are not happy because the communism is not in the right. Communism is Cārvāka philo... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...others, they're also in the same background.
Dr. Patel: No, certain basic amenities are necessary. That is, has been provided in the Hindu religion. What we have to... (break) We have to remind them to follow your philosophy and that is... (break)
Prabhupāda: So you first of all follow. You first of all follow. Then you teach them.
Dr. Patel: Bābā... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...follow, how can I teach them?
Dr. Patel: We are following of the... We have been taught the European way. We are following their method.
Prabhupāda: Therefore you are not following.