Prabhupāda: Yes, upāsanā . . . it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, amānitvam adambhitvam ahiṁsā kṣāntir ārjavam ācāryopāsanam (BG 13.8). Vinigrahaḥ, indriya-vinigrahaḥ. (aside) Find out this, Thirteenth Chapter. These are the process. First of all amānitvam. You have to surrender yourself, that "I am insignificant." But in beginning you are puffed up, "I am so academic. Now I have got Ph.D." Rascals. First, beginning, is amānitvam. And as soon as we become puffed-up, a little knowledge—a little knowledge is dangerous—then finished. So they are doing like that. A little knowledge, I think, "I have become more than my Guru Mahārāja." Finished. That is the defect. Find out. Read the . . .
Pradyumna:
- amānitvam adambhitvam
- ahiṁsā kṣāntir ārjavam
- ācāryopāsanaṁ śaucaṁ
- sthairyam ātma-vinigrahaḥ
- (BG 13.8)
- indriyārtheṣu vairāgyam
- anahaṅkāra eva ca
- janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi . . .
- (BG 13.9)
Prabhupāda: Everyone is after sense gratification. No vairāgya. And he's in knowledge. His qualification is like dog, and he has become a man of knowledge. (break)
Indian reporter: . . . to go to Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Finish this.
Pradyumna: Asaktir anabhiṣvaṅgaḥ putra-dāra-gṛhādiṣu.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Asaktir anabhiṣvaṅgaḥ putra-dāra-gṛha. Everyone is attached. And this is ignorance. This is illusion, that developed society, community, nationality. But what is that? That attachment. But that attachment has to be taken away. That is knowledge. But we are teaching people how to become more and more attached in the name of Communism, socialism, this ism, that ism, nationalism. These things are not given. The truth in all this means increasing putra-dāra-gṛhādiṣu. Not asakti but āsakti: increasing ignorance. Then?
Pradyumna: Nityaṁ ca sama-cittatvam iṣṭāniṣṭopapattiṣu.
Prabhupāda: Nityaṁ ca sama-cittatvam. We should not be disturbed by this worldly disturbance. Tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata (BG 2.14). Real business is how to stop this birth, death, old age and disease. But they are not concerned with these things. They are simply disturbed with little temporary discomfort. Then?
Pradyumna: Mayi cānanya-yogena . . .
Prabhupāda: Mayi cānanya-yogena bhaktir . . .
Pradyumna: Avyabhicāriṇī.
Prabhupāda: Ah. And then central point is to become devotee of Kṛṣṇa. Then?
Pradyumna: Vivikta-deśa-sevitvam aratir jana-saṁsadi (BG 13.11).
Prabhupāda: Ah. Not to mix with this rascal class of men, aratir jana-saṁsadi. Not that I hold a meeting and some rascals give me clapping, (claps hands) I become . . . don't be after this. Try to understand the reality. But we, we become political leader, and if one thousand or one lakh of people give me a few claps I think I become perfect. What you are perfect? The next moment by the laws of nature you'll be slapped and taken away. Who could save Gandhi when he was fired by the laws by the nature? That clapping would not save me. Mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34). When Kṛṣṇa will come and put you death, what you will do, with you clapping and your bank balance? You'll be taken away. Then?
Pradyumna: Adhyātma-jñāna-nityatvaṁ tattva-jñānārtha-darśanam (BG 13.12).
Prabhupāda: Tattva-jñānārtha-darśanam. Tattva-jñāna. What is tattva? These things are absent completely from the whole world. But everything is there. Therefore we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is. If people take it they'll be benefited. This simple mission. We are following Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said that you become guru. Everyone become guru. So how shall I become guru? Very simple thing.
- āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa
- yāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa
- (CC Madhya 7.128)
Bās. Simply if we repeat what is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, then we become guru. And if you can convince a person, one person, then you get your . . . but no. They are creating their own manufactured knowledge, manufactured process, and exploiting Bhagavad-gītā. What is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, they'll never say. They'll take a Bhagavad-gītā and pose himself that, "I am a great scholar of Bhagavad-gītā. I have got my own interpretation that I go to hell and you go to hell." That's all.