Svarūpa Dāmodara: Investigation is going on about the availability of food in the ocean.
Jayatīrtha: Also. They want to recycle the stool. There's one big plan to make a big city, and then the stool is recycled, and sixty percent can be again re-eaten.
Umāpati: I heard that in Russia they're already making butter from stool.
Jayatīrtha: Because the body doesn't efficiently take all the nutrients.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They can make butter. This market butter is sometimes coming from stool. (laughter)
Jayatīrtha: We have to get our own cows very quickly.
Umāpati: Here too, in this country also, they're making butter from stool?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Umāpati: In this country also they're doing that?
Prabhupāda: The... I... No. During wartime the German people did it, at least.
Bahulāśva: Now they're making artificial milk also, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Bahulāśva: They're advertising. "It's just like milk without the sour taste, without the bitter taste."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are propagating that milk is not good for the (indistinct) natural milk.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Some scientist came to see me in Melbourne. He was speaking like that.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He was saying that milk is not good.
Jayatīrtha: Stool is good, but milk is not good. (laughter)
Umāpati: That's all right if you're a pig.
Prabhupāda: Stool is good... We see the pigs. They eat stool. They become very fatty.
Bali Mardana: Stout.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bahulāśva: They have no brain for understanding Kṛṣṇa. That only comes from milk?
Prabhupāda: Milk?
Bahulāśva: To have a good brain for understanding Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Not eating so much.
Bahulāśva: Oh.
Bali Mardana: Some devotees think that if they eat large quantities of milk, the more they eat, the more their brain will become big.
Prabhupāda: No. That is rajasic.
Bali Mardana: Rajasic.
Prabhupāda: Especially for devotee, too much eating is very, very bad. Atyāhāraḥ prayāsaś ca prajalpo niyamāgrahaḥ (NOI 2). Too much eating is very bad.
Bali Mardana: They should only take what is necessary.
Prabhupāda: And too much collecting money also. That is also not good.
Kṛṣṇa-kānti: Too much what?
Prabhupāda: Collecting money. (pause)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We were discussing that in all the living bodies, we have these innumerable cells, living cells. And in these cells... We were just discussing whether the Paramātmā and the jīvātmā is still there even in the living cells.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is. It is there. So actually our body's a combination of these so many living entities.
Prabhupāda: Atoms, yes. Why not? The every living entity is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of a hair. So many hairs are there. And that is one ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair. Where is the difficulty.
Bali Mardana: So there is one jīvātma who's in control of the body. The others are subservient.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Jīvātma is everywhere. But you have got your own field. Just like for agricultural purpose you have got a big field, but there are so many millions of microbes and...
Bali Mardana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But it is your field. Not that when you go out of the field one of them becomes you. No, that is not. That is individuality. When you leave, you leave your field. That's all.
Bali Mardana: So when we leave the field, then the other cells in the body also leave their field.
Prabhupāda: Yes, therefore the germs come out as soon as it is proper time. So these nonsense, they do not know that, that the... Creating life, the ingredients... If they say that material combination makes life, so material combination is there already. Why the, that man is not coming? That is... He's individual, and they are also individual. I have got my field. I am individual. I leave it. But because there are so many other microbes, they will come as me. No, that is not possible.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, yes, but temporarily, I cannot live without them.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I cannot live in my body without them.
Prabhupāda: Without them... You cannot live with this material body without so many conditions. And that is also one of the conditions. You cannot live. Any condition, little disturbed... You become diseased; you become disturbed. So therefore it is called conditional life. You simply live here on condition. And spiritual life means no condition. If the condition is favorable, then your senses will act. Otherwise you have got useless senses. If there is light, then you can see. You can become proud of your eyes. "Can you show me God?" And what you can see, rascal? If God gives you light, then you can see. You see under condition. And still, he's very proud of his eyes. "Can you show me God?" This is going on. Rascal, what you can see?