Prabhupāda: Either hell or heaven, that doesn't matter. So how do you go there?
Madhudviṣa: They say that the material body and the soul join back together again at the end.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Madhudviṣa: They say that the material body and the soul join back together again.
Prabhupāda: That is dehāntara-prāpti, another body.
Madhudviṣa: No, they say same body.
Prabhupāda: Same body means same material body. The form may be different. The form is actually different, because this form is lying in your tomb. It is not going. Where that . . . if it has gone, then why the body is here? That is dehāntara, another body. How you can say the same body? The same body is lying here. After death, if the same body is going, then why the same body is not going? Why it is lying here? They must be reasonable, not dogmatic. How it is same body?
Satsvarūpa: I don't understand their philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Here nonsense. Same body, how can you? The body is here.
Madhudviṣa: The body is rotting in the tomb, and then they say that the body at the end of the creation is reconstructed and reunited with the soul.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but not this body. Reconstruct.
Madhudviṣa: That they say this body.
Prabhupāda: That is their foolishness. This body, you can say this is material body, that is also material body. But not this body. Just like you change your cloth. The other cloth also made of cotton, and this is also made of cotton. In the same way, you can say: "The same body," cotton body or dress. But you cannot say that this cloth or this dhotī is going with you. How they can say? This body is lying here. "This body" means this material body.
Madhudviṣa: They will say: "Some things you cannot understand. You must simply accept on faith."
Prabhupāda: "You cannot understand"—that is also good. Suppose a child cannot understand. But there must be some explanation. Otherwise, how in advanced stages one can accept? They will say "dogmatic."