Prabhupāda: Jagannātha Purī's sanctity they are killing. Thousands of years. Hm? Gaura-govinda? The sanctity is being...
Gaura-govinda: Sanctity is lost now.
Prabhupāda: Kali-yuga. What is happening? Jagannātha Svāmī.
Gaura-govinda: Those pāṇḍās, they have developed these demoniac qualities and they are forbidding the real devotees to enter into the temple. That is also an offense.
Pañca-draviḍa: Even our devotees born in Hindu families they won't let into the temple.
Gaura-govinda: What is that Hindu? So-called Hindu.
Pañca-draviḍa: Lokanātha Swami even. There is no reason even they should forbid him from going to the temple.
Prabhupāda: They are depressing to extract money.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: How many pāṇḍās are involved?
Gaura-govinda: There are many pāṇḍās.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How many?
Gaura-govinda: Hundreds.
Pañca-draviḍa: These paṇḍitas, Śrīla Prabhupāda... Five years ago I got permission to go into the temple and they let me in the gates, only the paṇḍitas blocked the door. They would not let us in. But we were allowed inside the temple gates and everything. It was only the one paṇḍita came and stopped us. (break)
Prabhupāda: Management is in the hands of government?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is the management in the hand of the government?
Gaura-govinda: Yes, government. One administrator is there. He's governmental power.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That means the government is being paid off by the pāṇḍās.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: This is Orissa government.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anantadeva said the government administrator also wants money. They're all in it together.
Gaura-govinda: That Sadasiva Ratha Sharma, the president of... (break)
Pañca-draviḍa: The biggest paṇḍitas are all known meat-eaters also.
Gaura-govinda: Ah, yes!
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They eat meat.
Gaura-govinda: Meat, fish, everything.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think, Prabhupāda, you mentioned in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta that.
Gaura-govinda: Many also take all sorts of intoxication and they also go to the prostitute. Everything they do.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How can they serve the Deity? Śrīla Prabhupāda, does Lord Jagannātha reside there any more?
Prabhupāda: That is the proof, that it was not in order this year.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was proof, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: That ratha-cakra broken.
Gaura-govinda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Does Lord Jagannātha reside there any more?
Prabhupāda: No, He resides everywhere. Jagannātha says, yatra tiṣṭhati mad-bhaktas tatra tiṣṭhāmi nārada. Things are deteriorating. That I am lamenting. There is no... For thousands of years sanctity—they are killing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is there anything we can do about it?
Prabhupāda: Unless the administration comes to us.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: If we pray to Lord Jagannātha so that... (break)