Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually at that time we were massaging your heart. It was such a shock to you. And I remember, the only medicine you want... We were massaging your heart and reading Kṛṣṇa book. And you developed a very bad cough.
Prabhupāda: I do not wish to recall that. It was intolerable. Then these things were now brought to... Otherwise I did not like to come back. I would have stayed.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ahh. Wow.
Prabhupāda: I made my headquarter in Los Angeles. And they made a conspiracy against me. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I never understood that.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise I made it my own story(?). (pause)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, whatever the reason, by your coming here it was wonderful also.
Prabhupāda: That means Kṛṣṇa desired. Otherwise I had no plan to come back here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your business was in the West. Still it is, you said. Still, whatever we're doing here...
Prabhupāda: Therefore I took this permanent residency.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not intention but... Do you regret having come back to India?
Prabhupāda: No, it is well. My plan was like that, but Kṛṣṇa's plan was different. When I was coming back, I was speaking to Dvārakādhīśa, "I do not know. I came here to live. Why You are driving me away?" While leaving Los Angeles I was not happy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, I remember.
Prabhupāda: But He had this plan.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Pretty nice plan.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa wanted that "You left Vṛndāvana. I'll give you better place in Vṛndāvana. (chuckles) You were retired in Vṛndāvana. I obliged you to leave. Now you come back. I'll give you better place." So He has given a temple hundred times better than Los Angeles. Is it not?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There's nothing comparable in the three worlds.
Prabhupāda: Hm. So it is always by His desire. (break) That conspiracy was... (break) ...also. I did not discuss.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You said that to us.
Prabhupāda: Yes, I gave some hint.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I could understand later on how it... Your hint I could understand more fully. Very subtle.
Prabhupāda: Very.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anyway, now we're trained to the point where that can never reoccur. Not... Never. That could only happen because we were so new at that time.
Śatadhanya: Due to ignorance.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Took advantage of us. It's like... At first we were mongrel dogs. Now we are a little bit trained to keep away all the disturbers. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...opposition of my constructing a temple in Māyāpur.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: From the very beginning. First you asked for land. That was refused. Then you sent money, but for three years—nothing. I think you sent money twice.
Prabhupāda: So many things also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then we were even stopped by the elements, when we went... You took us, and we went and stayed at Devānanda Gauḍīya Maṭha. But the rain suddenly came so strongly, (Prabhupāda chuckles) we could...
Prabhupāda: Could not cross to the other side.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Then you said, "Perhaps Kṛṣṇa wants us to establish in Vṛndāvana and not Māyāpur.