Hayagrīva: Did you say self-realization is realizing our identity with Brahmā?
Prabhupāda: Oh yes.
Hayagrīva: With Brahmā. Brahmā dies. Brahmā is not eternal.
Prabhupāda: Brahman is eternal. I am eternal. I am thinking.(?) Yes?
Devotee: He's saying Brahmā instead of Brahman.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Brahmā you mean to say?
Hayagrīva: Oh, you said Brahman.
Prabhupāda: Brahmā is a living creature just like us. A powerful living creature, he is called Brahmā. He's the first creature. And Brahman, Brahman is the Supreme Absolute.