Jñānagamya: They have no science of astrology, so they cannot understand the universe and how it's working.
Prabhupāda: Astrology... I don't think they believe in astrology. There is no question of astrology. We practically we see that one man ordered to be hanged by the justice, he has to be hanged. That is destiny. One has not seen who has ordered, but he sees that "This man is being hanged." He cannot explain; he says, "By chance." So whose explanation is right? The chance explanation or the destiny explanation—which is right?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Actually, logically, I cannot see how there is any chance, not a single. When I was a child I used to give an argument to my friend, and he used to say, "A chance. Everything is chance. It is like a lottery ticket." I said to him, "If you don't buy the lottery ticket and win $50,000, then that is chance. But if you buy the lottery ticket..."
Prabhupāda: How it is chance?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: There is no chance, because you bought the lottery ticket, so...
Prabhupāda: Your destiny. Then your destiny.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: They miss the order and the controller and the organizer...
Prabhupāda: That is whole purpose—how to defy God. That is their whole plan.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, the mind is attracted to that.