Prabhupāda: Take for example, Rāma was manifesting Himself as an ideal king. He was not manifesting Himself as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore as ideal king He was limiting Himself with the moral principles of this world. And Kṛṣṇa, being the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He exhibited that He's above any principle of the material world. He's free to act any way He likes. Otherwise what is the meaning... Means full-fledged manifestation of God. Lord Rāma, He married only one, Sītā. And when Sītā was kidnapped by Rāvaṇa, He never married again. Or when Sītā was sent to the forest for public opinion, He never married again. He remained a sticked to, stuck to only one wife because He was setting example, moral principle, to the world. Kṛṣṇa married 16,108. Not religious. Religious, He married only eight wife. But these 16,100 girls were kidnapped by one demon, and they were concentrated in a camp. So they prayed to Kṛṣṇa to save them. Kṛṣṇa is kind to everyone. So Kṛṣṇa came to their rescue, and He killed that demon. He rescued all the girls. But the girls requested Kṛṣṇa that "Because we were kidnapped and we are concentrated under his custody, so if we go back to our father, it will be difficult for him to get us married to a suitable prince. So our request is that You marry us." (Prabhupāda laughs) Kṛṣṇa agreed, "All right." He married wholesale, 16,100. (laughter) And that can be possible. Why 16,100? He can marry 16 million at a time. Otherwise how He's God? Therefore Prahlāda Mahārāja advises his classfellows that "Don't be bothering yourself for solution of economic question." That is already provided.
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1970 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: You are present, a tourist program here?
Guest (2): I was there. I...
Prabhupāda: So this program...
Guest (2): I wanted to join with the camp in the public but nobody was convenienced...
Prabhupāda: No, you could have informed him. You could come to the pal... Anyway, next, next, tomorrow also we'll have.
Guest (2): I no way want to disturb...
Hamsadutta: No, you won't disturb. You'll enhance us.
Guest (2): Tomorrow I'll come.
Prabhupāda: Where you are staying here? (break) ...actually inquisitive, he'll capture it. It is not the question of... Japan. (break) ...personal ambition. It is service to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wants. Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ (BG 18.66). So we are canvassing.
1972 Conversations and Morning Walks
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Compromise means you have some material attachment.
Prabhupāda: Yes, compromise means you don't want real business but you want some money by cheating and by bluffing. That's all. That is compromise. If I aim... Just like this Mahesh Yogi is doing: Yes, God has given you senses, why should you not enjoy? You simply enjoy. You simply give me thirty-five dollars, I'll give you a special mantra. And here, Allen Ginsberg told me, Swamiji, you are very conservative. I said that I am the most lenient. I'm not conservative. You are conservative. You cannot give up your bad habits. I am very liberal and accepting everyone. But you are... Because you are conservative, you cannot give up your bad habits; therefore you deny to come to my camp. I am very liberal.
Devotee: The advantage of a van is that it can be used for sleeping purposes also.
Prabhupāda: Sleeping purposes in India, tropical country, if you carry camp, if you want to sleep somewhere you just immediately set up a camp and pass night very comfortable. And you go on the field passing stool. Just catch up some watery place. (laughter) You can cook, you can take bath, you can wash your dishes, then put up on the trailer and go on.
Devotee: Mostly we'll be going to big...
Prabhupāda: I'll agree if you can send one van also, two cars and one van.
Devotee: Mostly we'll be going to bigger cities anyway. The roads between big cities are all right. But if we go places...
Prabhupāda: Work sincerely and everything will be supplied by Kṛṣṇa. Now take... (end)
Prabhupāda: No, he has got intelligence, but he wants to be cheated, wants cheap things. Just like our... Who has left, Saṅkarṣaṇa? Is that his name?
Jayatīrtha: Kapiladeva.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Kapiladeva.
Prabhupāda: He has gone to that camp. He saw, "It is very difficult to follow the rules and regulations. Better go there." He wants to be cheated.
Jayatīrtha: If something is valuable, the price will be high.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Is it like that, Śrīla Prabhupāda, the English... (end)
Indian man: Great risk.
Prabhupāda: Yes. These rascals at any time can arrest anyone and keep in him the concentration camp. Oh, it is a dangerous government. And they will take you anywhere, nobody will know. Just like even a great person, Kruschev, nobody knows his whereabouts. It is a very dangerous government. But as they are advertising, people are not happy. Moscow city is nice, but it is old constructed. The same Communistic government has not done anything. There are very big, big buildings, nice roads, everything, but they are all old, not new.
Devotee (3): What they are doing with their wealth?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (3): What they are doing with their wealth?
Prabhupāda: Wealth?
Devotee (3): What are they doing with their wealth if they are not investing it in economic...
Prabhupāda: They're simply spending for military, that's all.
1973 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: Now, such camps, because you are not established, so, under the circumstances, what is to be done? To reduce our devotees?
Śyāmasundara: We have our base in Calcutta, we have our base in Bombay, those two places.
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Śyāmasundara: Those are important cities in the world.
Prabhupāda: Vṛndāvana, as long as our temple is not constructed, we are minimized. So therefore automatically there is no question of negotiating (indistinct).
Devotees: No, no.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Prabhupāda: After sixth year... Yes novelists. So the relationship was very nice. There were... Otherwise, how the Britishers could rule, unless there was obedience. But as soon as they saw now the obedience is going on, the soldiers are leaving our camp and joining the national camp," immediately they decided to leave peacefully. Otherwise, there would be some revolution. At that time, all good relationship will go. Better separate with good relation. This was Attlee's policy, to convince statesmen like Churchill that: "You cannot rule over India any more. Better separate in good relationship."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: A few weeks ago, there was a supplement in the Times, the London Times. So they were describing about the very relationship between British and India, in the early British period and after the British period. There they talked only about very good points, whereas they never say anything about... All good points.
Prabhupāda: No, that... When they discuss, they must describe the good points only. But some of the British rulers were very, very unkind. And the last was that Jallianwalla Bagh massacre, created by Lord Chelmsford. Then the British rule finished. In 1917, and immediately Gandhi started non-cooperation movement. So after thirty years, the Britishers were obliged to leave.
Prabhupāda: I think I..., Germany, in the war, they extracted fat from stool because stool is full of fat and hypophosphytes. Stool. So there was scarcity of fat. So they were extracting fat from stool. By scientific method. There was no fat available in wartime. That my Godbrother, Sadānanda, when he came India, so I asked him that: "Your German people, I've heard that German people are very stout and strong. Why you are lean and thin?" So he replied that: "During the war days, there was control. So I was getting fat, butter, simply because we were children." He showed his wrist watch, "to this, this much. Only for children, this much butter, weekly, once." That means under, under-nourished. So therefore they are finding out fat from stool. And in the concentration camp, Kīrtanānanda told me, actually they ate their own stools. And who was telling me...? Śrutakīrti, you were telling me that in the, what is called? Capsule? They turn their stool into food.
Prabhupāda: They are simply set of rascals. All people are unhappy there. Unhappy. They cannot speak anything against the government and they have got so many protests to lodge. So many. But they cannot speak. If you speak, immediately he's sent to the concentrated camp. Some... Nobody knows where he has gone. You see the Kruschev, such a big man. Nobody knows where he is. That is their policy. As soon as you are suspicious,... Therefore Lelin... Lelin, Lelin...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Lenin...
Prabhupāda: Not Lenin. Stalin.
Karandhara: Stalin.
Prabhupāda: Stalin. He's estimated to be the greatest criminal in the world. As soon as he'll suspect you... You may be a great friend. Next day you are finished. He'll ask his friend: "Now, here is poison and here is revolver. What do you want? If you want to die yourself, take this poison, and die. Otherwise, you'll be shot." So what he will select? He will take poison. Finish. This was his business. As soon as little suspicion. He'll call him: "Now here is poison. Here is revolver. What do you want?" Yes.
Prabhupāda: Where it is?
Haṁsadūta: Cheswick Lane.
Buddhist Monk (1): That's by the river, uh? It's quite far away, yes. So last night we stayed there. Is that on the western side of...?
Devotee: Yes, that's the West Fork.
Buddhist Monk (1): West Fork. West Fork.
Prabhupāda: This is northern? No, southern. I do not know. We are also (Buddhist laughs) camped for the last few days. We do not know much about...
Buddhist Monk (1): Much about it, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And they are living very happily. You can see from their face. Yes. They are known as bright-faced. Yes. Many, I mean, Christian priests, they came to congratulate me: "Swamiji, how you have made your disciples so jolly and bright-faced?" The government in America, they are surprised, that even after spending millions of dollars, they could not drive away LSD intoxication. And as soon as a intoxicated person comes to our camp, he not only gives up LSD and liquor, he gives up even smoking, drinking tea and coffee. So why not experiment this movement. The greatest socialist movement. If you want to get the socialistic idea, we can give you. Would you like to take?
Reporter: Oh, I don't trust. I could trust. Yeah. But...
Prabhupāda: Our socialistic idea, you can note down...
Reporter: I have nothing to lose but do you think you could manage all society very complex, as our...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Now, happy attitude. Now the cow are going to be killed. They know it, that "We are going to be killed." They're also intelligent living entity. So how they can be happy? If some human being concentrated in a camp, and they know that "We are going to be killed," can they be happy? So if one is not happy, if the cow is not happy, can she supply sufficient milk? No. No. Therefore just they were happy. Therefore milk was supplied so much that the grazing ground became wet with milk. Muddy. With milk, not with water. So we, we have no intelligence how to live. We... Our Bhagavad-gītā says, kṛṣi-go-rakṣya vaiśya. Means kṛṣi-go-rakṣya, to protect cows. Nowadays not to protect cows—to kill cows. Just see, business. Vaiśya means businessman. So vaiśya's business is kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam (BG 18.44). But no go-rakṣya. Cutting the throat of go. This kind of sinful activities are going on, and they want to be happy. Instead of giving protection to the cows... In the Bible, also it is said that the animals are given under the protection of the human being.
Karandhara: Well, the common people are crying for authority, leadership.
Prabhupāda: Therefore you have to teach them how to elect leader. These are the qualification of the leaders. He must not be sinful. Then he can be. (break) ...people will find in our camp. (break)
Prajāpati: ...one philosopher atheist by the name Bertrand Russell, he tries to prove that God does not exist by saying that people who say God exists, say that God is, everything has a cause and that the first cause is God, and Bertrand Russell says, "Well, if everything has a cause, then God also must have a cause. So that, there must be no God."
Prabhupāda: If God has cause, then he is not God. That is the difference between God and everything. Everything has got cause, but God has not cause. Therefore he is God. That, the rascal, he does not know. He equalizes God and everything on the same level. Then what is the meaning of God? If He hasn't got the extraordinary qualification, then how he is God? He is everything. He does not know. Why there is distinction between God and everything? Because God is not caused by everything, but everything is caused by God. That is the difference. (break) ...is equal to God, then everything is God. That is going on, Māyāvāda philosophy.
1974 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: Then Brahmānanda give me assurance. "I can take charge." Therefore I signed. But factually, he was as good as Madhudviṣa. (laughs) He made a contract with a, that camp, forty thousand rupees. I settled up for ten thousand rupees. So our work is going on in India and money's spent. Fifty percent is spoiled by this American brain. What can be done? There is no... They'll loot. They cheat. Like anything. Just like this camp. It was, it was Brahmānanda and Madhudviṣa combined together made a contract-forty thousand rupees. Then I said that "Then I am not going to pay you. You go." In Kumbha Melā also, the contract was ten thousand. So five thousand already paid. So I said, "I have no money. You have to become satisfied with the ten thousand." So they began some trouble, but after all, accepted. Because they make five hundred percent profit.
Prabhupāda: Somebody said that I am talked in their camp that I am priest. I am priest.
Bali Mardana: In their camp?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bali Mardana: Someone said that?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They said that my movement is, I am priest. Because I worship Kṛṣṇa in the temple. In other words, I am not a philosopher; I am a priest. What it is made of, this surfer?
Sudāmā: It's made of styrofoam. It's a plastic material that's very light and floats on the water. And then different polishing plastics.
Prabhupāda: So, it is a costly thing.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: ...in their university camps and everywhere.
Prabhupāda: Now it is going to be legalized.
Dr. Patel: Smoking?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Just like they have legalized the prostitution.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Anything... Because it is vote. Majority wants. "All right. Make it legalized."
Prabhupāda: Nihāram iva bhāskara. Let the scientists do it in their scientific way, drive away the fog. Is there any process? Eh? In the ocean, when there is fog like this, they have to stop all the ships and cry, (makes sound like fog horn:) onnnh, onnnh, so that they may not collide. I have seen it when I was coming, going to USA. Where is Mohanānanda? He is here? No. Mohanānanda? Hare Kṛṣṇa. The difference between other camps and our: they call these men from their daily, I mean to say, life, householder's life, for this purpose for a week or so, but they are not dedicated. Here, in our camp, all our people are dedicated to the cause. That is the difference. So they cannot surpass your activities.
Prabhupāda: Everyone is not. That is the defect. Everyone is not in agreement.
Guest (1): Actually, they divided into camp... (break)
Prabhupāda: They do not know how these things coming, and how to amend it, how to reform. (break) ...countries, they are not happy.
Dr. Patel: They are not happy because the communism is not in the right. Communism is Cārvāka philo... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...others, they're also in the same background.
Dr. Patel: No, certain basic amenities are necessary. That is, has been provided in the Hindu religion. What we have to... (break) We have to remind them to follow your philosophy and that is... (break)
Prabhupāda: So you first of all follow. You first of all follow. Then you teach them.
Prabhupāda: That is the law of breaking temple. And when we want, that is the law, "No sanction." (Hindi) This is our position. If we go forward, then we are culprit. And if we remain backward, then we are culprit. Both ways. (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: Now, camp of the sin of these people is now filling up, and Kalki-avatāra must come out. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...gentlemen. Otherwise, how they could reign for eight hundred years? At that time Hindus were very strong. They were rigid. And there were many native princes. Still, they ruled over India for eight hundred years. As soon as the Aurangzeb showed his bigotry, it was failed. Muslim... As they're advertised, Muslims are not like that.
Dr. Patel: They were good to Bengal.
Mākhanalāl: They have very much reputation for violence...
Prabhupāda: No. In Vṛndāvana we have got. So all the Muslim emperors, they contributed.
Prabhupāda: No, in last war they ate stool also.
Yogeśvara: Concentration camps.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: Really? What is the Vaiṣṇava point of view?
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: Is a Vaiṣṇava, is he willing to maintain his body for the service of Lord Kṛṣṇa even if he has to break regulative principles—if it is necessary?
Prabhupāda: If it is necessary.
Yogeśvara: What's the name of that yogi who meditated for sixty thousand years?
Nitāi: Saubhari? Viśvāmitra.
Prabhupāda: Vālmīki.
Satsvarūpa: Not thinking, "Oh, when will I go to Kṛṣṇaloka?"
Prabhupāda: No, it doesn't matter. You give him good advice. Just like a canvasser. He canvasses for selling some books or some... If does not sell, he is not a culprit. He has done his job. That is recognized by Kṛṣṇa. Devotee does not make any bargain with Kṛṣṇa that "Kṛṣṇa will give me this benefit; therefore I have become pure devotee." That is not devotee. Prahlāda Mahā... He is a merchant, "You give me this price. I will deliver this clothing." That is not devotion. Āśliṣya vā pāda-ratāṁ pinaṣṭu māṁ marma-hatāṁ karotu vā: (CC Antya 20.47) "Any condition, I am your slave. Whatever You like, you can do with me." That is the sign, not that "If it is favorable to my idea, then I accept You." That is not devotion. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam (Brs. 1.1.11), no desire. Only desire: "Please accept me as Your eternal servant again." Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura sings, mārobi rākhobi jo icchā tohārā: "Now, if You like, You can kill me; if You like, You can keep me. Whatever You like, I am prepared." Mārobi rākhobi jo icchā tohārā. That is surrender. (break) Similarly, if we live on the nature's way, there is no problem. The extra brain and intelligence which we have from the lower animals, we are utilizing for the same purpose, the animal life. That lady was saying, "Now we are advanced, so..." (car comes by) It is our car?
Haṁsadūta: No.
Prabhupāda: There is a camp. (break) We can return now. (end)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Professor Durckheim: And I do believe that at the actual moment still, the treasure in the European peoples, the different peoples, who went through the war, through concentration camps, through battlefields and bombing nights, are hidden in their hearts certain moments when death was near and they were wounded and nearly torn in pieces. Because they had a certain experience they survived. And again and again, when I give a lecture, I have two or three people, waiting, telling me, "Now you just reminded me an experience long ago, ten days ago, two months ago, when I thought I was a little bit crazy, and now I understand it has been the experience, perhaps the most important of my life, on which I should have built my future inner way." And these experiences are still there. And once people understand, they don't need a war and a battleship and a concentration camp and a bombing night to take serious certain inner experiences when they are suddenly are touched by this divine reality, and they suddenly feel that this bodily existence is not lasting at all.
Prabhupāda: That's it. That we can experience every night.
Madhudviṣa: He was speaking like that because our men go into the lecture dressed in disguise, plain clothes, and we are going in the audience selling books to everyone. They all get the book, and then, when he begins to speak, then we all turn around and go out.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they did it in the Guru Maharaji's camp also. Hundreds of Bhagavad-gītā As It Is sold.
Satsvarūpa: Thousands.
Prabhupāda: Thousands. So we take advantage of this meeting. We do our business and go away. And they have no books. They have simply that pressing of nose, that's all, nothing else. They have no philosophy, nothing of the sort. What they will write? They have no philosophy. Simply cheat that "Press your nose; you get Bhagavān." That's all. And people think, "It is so easy. Why shall I go to Bhaktivedanta Swami? Let me go to this Guru Mahārāja." They think like that. And some of our men, feeling too much pressure, they go away. But here there is nothing cheap, that simply by pressing nose and eyes and you become God. Don't make compromise. This principle must be observed. Then you'll remain strong. As soon as you make compromise, then it is finished.
1975 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: That is speculation. If you want to study me, so you can do so either by approaching me or through one of my confidential servant. How one can understand me from outside by speculating? Why do they come to see me? Let them remain far away and speculate. But that is not possible in ordinary common sense also. So how they speculate about God? If you cannot understand even a common man, maybe very big in the society, you cannot understand a common man by hearsay, by speculation...
Prajāpati: Practically all the theologians are aligned with one denomination or another, and they're like company men to the big churches, and they're afraid of admitting they do not know about God because they're afraid somebody will leave their camp and come to ours. We say we know about God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We say frankly that we know God, His father's name, His address, everything. Let anyone come and challenge. He cannot say that "No, this is not God," because he has not approached God. He does not know what is God. How he can challenge us that "This is not God"? Suppose we are presenting Kṛṣṇa as God, so how anyone can challenge? Because he has not approached God. He is simply speculating.
Pañcadraviḍa: There's something they put on the plastic so you can now eat it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like the Germans, they extracted fat from stool. And that was used as butter. This is scientific. They'll have to eat stool even. They have eaten. In the last war, concentration camp, they have eaten their own stool. There was no food. So nature will punish them in that way. They'll eat everything. This godless civilization will lead people to such condition of life. Kadharya bhakṣaṇa kare, tara janma adho pate yaya. This life they will eat everything, all nonsense thing, and next life they become pig, cats, dogs. That's all. This will be.
Jayapatāka: The concocter of the "Nitāi Gaura Rādhe Śyāma," previously he was a follower of Bhaktisiddhānta, but then he was rejected, and then he started his own camp.
Prabhupāda: No, yes, he was meeting Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. So... What is called? Carana dāsa Bābājī.
Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, sometimes during ārati, many bona fide bhajanas are sung, but not much Hare Kṛṣṇa. Is that not a good tendency, that maybe just two or three minutes of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and many other bhajanas?
Prabhupāda: No. We should stick to Hare Kṛṣṇa. Śrī-Kṛṣṇa-Caitanya Prabhu-Nityānanda, jīva jāgo jīva jāgo..., these are authorized. But Hare Kṛṣṇa is the mahā-mantra. What is sung by mahājana, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, that can be sung.
Paramahaṁsa: So because people are so much in darkness about religion, therefore they say...
Prabhupāda: Yes, everyone is in darkness. If you can make propaganda, the people will be misled. That is not very difficult. Just like from Russia, nobody is communist. But it is going on—the Russia is communist country. I have studied thoroughly. Nobody is communist. Maybe a few only. But it is going on by propaganda that Russia is a communist country. The people in general, they are forced to accept it. That book was written by some man, terrorism. It is terrorism. That's it. By force. Nobody accepts this communist philosophy, I have studied. (everyone gets out of car) They were very, very unhappy. The young man cannot go out of the country. Just see. Restricted. How much uncomfortable he is feeling. Especially in European countries, the young men, they want to go. But they will not allow. They will not allow anything to read except Lenin's literature. What is this? Simply suppressing. Everyone is unhappy. Which way? This way? This is their position. I have seen it directly. And as soon as one is suspected that he is doing otherwise, he will be sent to some unknown camp. Nobody knows where he has gone.
Paramahaṁsa: Just like they had some people who came to Russia to start some Buddhist thing, and then they were sent away to some camp, concentration camp.
Prabhupāda: Never seen again.
Brahmānanda: Some boys, they escaped from one country, I think Rumania. And they came to our temple. They had heard about our movement, so they came to our temple. They stayed for a little while, but then they were wanting to leave. So they left, and immediately they were apprehended by the authorities in... I think it was in Sweden. And now they are put into camps, they cannot leave, they have to be processed, and practically they are again in jail. They have no freedom. They cannot get a job. They have no passport. It will take them years to get all the papers in order. They have to be investigated to see that they are not spies. So again they are still in the miserable condition.
Prabhupāda: So miserable condition... That is our conclusion, that either you remain this side or that side, it is miserable. By mental concoction you think that "This is better than that." Therefore Kṛṣṇa says frankly, sarva-dharmān parityajya (BG 18.66). That is only shelter. Mām upetya kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam nāpnuvanti (BG 8.15). (break) ...take Kṛṣṇa's words as it is. Everything is there. He said, "This material world is duḥkhālayam; it is the place of suffering." Industrialist, businessman, anyone, even ordinary man, actually everyone is suffering, but everyone is thinking, "I am happy."
Indian man (2): Even in case of mother Desai, it was a classic incident, that his wife came one day to Gandhiji, that "This man is your personal writer but he is going on with another woman in your camp."
Prabhupāda: There are so many.
Indian man (2): "And he comes only because of that woman. Otherwise he is not willing to be your personal writer. So I have complained." Then Gandhiji said, "All right, when did you know it?" So she said, "I was thinking for the three months, but fifteen days before I came." "All right, Mahadeva, you come here. You will fast for fifteen days." And one week later (indistinct) Mahadeva Desai was that he wanted food very badly. So after seven days he was about to die. Then that woman, wife, came again, "Mahārāja I made a mistake. I made a complaint. All right. But now this man will die and where I will go?" (indistinct) "Then why have you made a complaint? So you can take off for seven days but you fast for seven days." So he is relieved.
Prabhupāda: One—there are so many cases. This Lilavati Munshi, this is the same thing. You know that? There is a big history behind this.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Now the village program of Gandhi is lost.
Dr. Patel: Absolutely. But whatever he has got, he had a lot of vidhi-niṣedha...
Prabhupāda: And it is lost because it was not God-centered. It is lost.
Dr. Patel: But he was God conscious. I mean, I have been brought up in that camp. Gandhi was a saint. But these people could not follow him. They have not understood him well. Those people who understood him, they died out. They died out.
Prabhupāda: Now, now, Gandhi's āśrama, was there any temple for worshiping Kṛṣṇa? No.
Dr. Patel: They had a temple. My wife was brought up there in the āśrama.
Prabhupāda: There was a temple?
Dr. Patel: In the morning they had to say prayer to Deva. (?) Gītā-mandir they had. They had all the characteristics of a good saint.
Prabhupāda: Why not from the beginning? No, no, no. Gandhi did not believe in Kṛṣṇa. No, yes, he has written, that "I know..."
Prabhupāda: African means black Africans. No?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No. South Africans, they were Europeans. The British started the first concentration camp. They took these "Afrikaners" as they call them, Europeans. They put them on an island called St. Helena. That was actually the first concentration camp, by the British.
Prabhupāda: This is going on. Still, even the opposite party, they are not disgusted—"This material life is not very peaceful." They are not disgusted.
Brahmānanda: Now they are thinking, "We'll be independent..."
Prabhupāda: Yes. That... They are trying to be independent. And India... Just like India has got independent, and now the position is "emergency." They do not think in this way, that "Independence or dependence, we are actually dependent under the laws of nature." That they do not think. They are thinking... The same example as I gave, that "This boil is here. Why not here? It is very painful," like that. They have no sense that so-called dependence or independence, he has to suffer. That he does not know.
Prabhupāda: Then? They must be moved. Government means, nowadays, all rascals. They are elected by rascals and they are rascals. That is the difficulty. Everywhere you go, you will meet only rascals. Manda. The definition is given, manda. Even in our camp there are so many rascals. Just see the report. Even they have come to be reformed, they are rascals. They cannot give up their rascal habits. Therefore it has been generalized, manda: "all bad." But only difference is that in our camp the bad's are being reformed; outside there is no reforming. There is hope of their being good, but outside there is no hope. That is the difference. Otherwise everyone is bad. Without any discrimination you can say. Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo (SB 1.1.10). Now, how the government will be good? This is also bad. Mahāprabhu's name is Patita-pāvana; He is delivering all bad men. In the Kali-yuga there is no good men at all—all bad. Strong you will have to become to deal with all bad men. (break) The seaweeds are there even in the middle ocean.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Like a camp.
Guest (1): Like a camp, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They are welcome.
Guest (1): You would prepare... At least every individual get one young man who will come.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Yes. Very good suggestion. Immediately accepted. Oh, yes. I speak only selected young men, and they will speak. Yes. That is wanted.
Guest (1): And it will be easier for us to go to their village.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): They would guide us.
Prabhupāda: That is very good suggestion.
Prabhupāda: This hari-kīrtana, chant. Somehow or other, induce them to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Everything all right. By flattering, by soliciting, by giving him prasāda, by elevating him, that "You are the best man in the world"—in this way inducing him, "Please chant Hare Kṛṣṇa," then he will be rectified. This is Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. There is no other way. He is ruined, and the more the Kali-yuga advances, he becomes more and more ruined. All other attempts will failure. Don't you see in your country the LSD-addicted hippies? Government spends so much money to rectify them-failure. But as soon as they come to our camp, immediately success. How it is possible?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: By this chanting...
Prabhupāda: That is the amazement. That is the amazement of Professor Judah and all others, that "How it is happening? There is something in the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement."
Prabhupāda: Jaya. Because the heart is full of dirty things, so therefore ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam, this is the process. First of all cleanse the heart. Just like slate. If it is unclean, or the mirror, if it is unclean, you cannot see. So you have to cleanse his heart. That we can do. The Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra... And that is proof. Otherwise how could you come to this camp unless the heart is cleansed? That's a proof.
Brahmānanda: They came by the chanting.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Some fish? No.
Brahmānanda: In the Old Testament, God was speaking to Moses. So Moses wanted to see God. He was on a mountain. And he turned around, but then God became a burning bush.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That was supposed to be the back of God. The burning bush was the back of God.
Prabhupāda: Burning bush?
Brahmānanda: A bush that was on fire.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Prabhupāda: So when they kill such brutally in the farm, the Britisher did not take any step?
Brahmānanda: Not very effective steps. They declared a state of emergency, and they brought soldiers here, and they had huge arrests. They had camps just outside of Nairobi, and they were arresting tens of thousands, huge camps. But the tactics that they would use, the Africans, the British soldiers couldn't...
Prabhupāda: They brought British soldiers or Indian soldiers?
Brahmānanda: I'm not sure.
Prabhupāda: British soldiers, so long, how they'll come? They were using Indian soldiers.
Indian: I know that Indian peoples, they helped them to get this freedom. That is the reason they have a little bit respect for the Indians now, this president.
Prabhupāda: How Indian people helped them?
Prabhupāda: No.... They eat meat, they don't get...
Dr. Patel: They eat even stool. Just like hogs.
Prabhupāda: That also a human being does. You know in concentration camp in second war they had to eat their stool.
Dr. Patel: But the British army had a regulation that they could drink urine but not stool. They cannot eat.
Prabhupāda: You may make regulation, but necessity has no regulation.
Dr. Patel: I.... because I happen to be.... I, I was holding the honorary position of a colonel in the army...
Prabhupāda: Just see, "I am making law: you can drink urine." Just see what is the position. (laughter)
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (break) ...is not planning. When he comes here he is determined that he will not eat in anyone's home.
Prabhupāda: That is very good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not only that, but he's not going to sleep in anyone's home either. They want to camp out by the riversides.
Prabhupāda: Very good idea.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says that he finds it very.... From reading your books it is very clear that Caitanya Mahāprabhu was very careful and strict to only eat prasādam cooked by proper persons.
Prabhupāda: No, purchase from Jagannātha temple. People would come to offer Him prasādam, so what is the cost of the prasādam, that was taken, and He purchased. Formerly, the system was, there was no hotel, but there were temples. You go and you can purchase very cheap price. I went with my father in my childhood in a place. My father would never take food at anyone's house or in the hotel. He will find out some temple and pay them and take prasādam. Still there are many temples. So I was about ten years old at that time, say, seventy years ago. So he paid two annas to the pūjārī and he gave us so much. It can be eaten by five, six men. Kicheri, vegetables, varieties. So much. Two annas.
Prabhupāda: He has got a camp here?
Yaśodānandana: No, in Madras.
Indian man: When he was here it happened. And that devotee's grace.... Then I said, "What is the reason why you say?" "No, no. After all, we are qualified. Those mlecchas..."
Prabhupāda: Nobody cares for you. You are so qualified that nobody cares for you.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did he say?
Yaśodānandana: What did he say about mlecchas?
Indian man: Yes, "Why mlecchas, how can they have, after all?" I said, "You yourself were a married person, and..."
Prabhupāda: And you did not know that they are not.... If they are mlecchas, then you are nārakī. It is said, vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ nārakī. Yes. Ārcye viṣṇau śilā-dhir guruṣu nara-matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ nārakī. Anyone who considers in terms of caste a Vaiṣṇava, he's a nārakī. Nārakī. Now, just like we go to the temple to see the Deities. Many millions of people are coming, but everyone knows that this is made of stone. But they are going to see the stone?
Harikesa: Well, then the other will just send some boats over, and all the men will get out while they're flying in the sky, and they'll just take over the country by manual soldiers.
Prabhupāda: No. As soon as atom bomb is..., everything is finished. There will be no opportunity. That is their thinking, "Who will drop the atom bomb first, he will be winner." That's all. In Russia they are adopting this means. They are releasing all the soldiers for other work. What is the use of keeping so many men idle without any work and maintain them, high salary, occupy big, big cantonment camps?
Harikesa: In America the army builds roads and bridges and things.
Prabhupāda: That's utilization. Why they should be paid for nothing?
Indian man: The small farmers who has a few acres of land, they are selling to a party, and they are getting a money. They knew that "After two or three years we will pose our set-up to the government that 'We are landless,' and the government will give us some money."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: The attitude, devotion, is there. Otherwise why one should come to our camp? But it must be properly utilized. It should not be misused. If you go to school and if you don't read books, you'll fail in the examination.
Guru dāsa: But the attitude of devotion should be there every moment, so everything...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guru dāsa: ...is very meaningful. Everything is a big thing. When we go out we should realize we're doing it for Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is said, man-manā. Think of Kṛṣṇa; He'll guide you. Very easy thing. Man-manā. Always think of Kṛṣṇa, then there is no question of falling down. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). These four things, if strictly done, he is safe. He is safe. Always think of Kṛṣṇa, become His devotee, offer Him obeisances and.... Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī, and worship Him. This is Deity worship. That will engage in always in thinking, in offering obeisances. And if we strictly follow only these, these four principles, mām evaiṣyasi satyaṁ te: "You are coming back to Me without any doubt." But instead of thinking Kṛṣṇa, we are thinking something else, planning something, misusing independence.
Prabhupāda: Because Russia was afraid of another revolution. People were preparing. So much pressure, intolerance, after all they are Europeans, so there was a chance of revolution.
Hari-śauri: Especially after Stalin. So many people were killed and sent to prison camps. That was the way that they enforced...
Prabhupāda: Stalin is calculated to be greatest criminal in the world. He has killed so many men. All rogues. We were taken through the neighborhood of all aristocratic men who were killed in the revolution.
Prabhupāda: Just see how forcefully they are being kept into ignorance, and we want to give knowledge, they don't, won't allow. This is government. So anyway, it is good news that our books are being read in that way. That means people are very eager, but they are being suppressed by the so-called government. What is the wrong there, that they cannot read these books publicly, because there is God? What is the wrong? When I was in Moscow airport, as soon as they found Bhagavad-gītā, they called police, the customs checking. The foolish man was kind enough, he said, "Not serious offense. Don't send him in the concentration camp." They can do. In Russia, even if you are foreigner, they can immediately send you to the concen..., without any knowledge, they don't care for your embassy or your... Such a rascal state, there is no civilized method. They send their own men, such an important man like that Kruschev. He was sent into oblivion; nobody knows where he is. Such a rascal government. Very difficult to live in. People are... Simply under terrorism the government is going on. In that sense your American government is so nice. Everyone has got the liberty. What is that nonsense government-terrorism.
Prabhupāda: Vipratve sūtram eva hi. And there is a brāhmaṇa. What is the proof that he is a brāhmaṇa? He has got a sacred thread, that's all. Or thread. It may not be sacred; purchased on the market. So at least we try to give a sacred thread by ceremony. But anyone can purchase a thread from the market, two-paisa worth or one-cent worth, and become a brāhmaṇa. "You are a brāhmaṇa?" "Yes, you see my sacred thread?" (laughter) Finished. "What you are doing?" "Never mind." Don't be such brāhmaṇas, at least in our camp. You must follow the rules and regulations. Don't show that "I am now doubly initiated, sacred thread." Don't cheat in that way. Vipratve sūtram eva hi. Then?
Pradyumna: Liṅgam evāśrama-khyātāv.
Prabhupāda: Liṅgam evāśrama-khyātāv. There are āśramas, brahmacārī, sannyāsī, gṛhastha. So they have got different dresses. So Kali-yuga, simply by dress, he becomes a brahmacārī, he become a gṛhastha, he becomes a sannyāsī, simply by dress. What he is acting, nobody cares, that's all. Then?
Prabhupāda: Śravanaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇu. Hear and chant about Viṣṇu. That is wanted. Not kṛn pratyaya, di-pratyaya, du-pratyaya. No. That is not wanted. Na hi na hi rakṣati du-kṛn-kāraṇe. This will not save you. If you have become a Sanskrit scholar, du-pratyaya, di-pratyaya, da-pratyaya, that will not save you. Na hi na hi rakṣati dukṛn-kāraṇe, bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ mūḍha mate. So this, they are thinking by learning Sanskrit they will become perfect. In the Bhagavad-gītā I don't find that "You learn Sanskrit, then you become perfect." "You surrender unto Me, then you become perfect." That is wanted. If you learn Sanskrit, there is no harm, but it is not the only condition that "You have to learn Sanskrit, then you will be able." Who knows in our camp Sanskrit? Who knows Sanskrit? How many?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Pradyumna.
Prabhupāda: He may know little. (laughter) Sanskrit language... that is...
Prabhupāda: There are so many purports you can. (professor reads one purport in French)
Bhūgarbha: That one was all right. (laughter)
Professor Chenique: I was, up to recent time, I was commenting Bhagavad-gītā in the camping. For eleven years every summer I am commenting the Gītā in the camping. I commend very warmly this edition of the Bhagavad-gītā. I think it's the best that you may find in France. But when I'm reading the commentary for my students, I find some sentences which are not good French. I think because it is not a very good style, and I hope it won't be that matter with... (French)
Bhūgarbha: Perhaps Professor Chenique could go over our translations and make any suggestions.
Prabhupāda: I have no objection.
Yogeśvara: Professor Chenique is offering to re-read our publications. To read them and when he sees something he thinks can be corrected, he will make some indication.
Prabhupāda: I have no objection. It is welcome.
Prabhupāda: Bible was produced here, in this desert. Jerusalem is not far away. Mecca, (indistinct), Arabia.
Parivrājakācārya: All they had to eat was the milk of sheep and goats and sometimes when they would camp near a farm they would have vegetables. Sometimes. And then the meat of the sheep.
Prabhupāda: And these dates. In the desert the date tree grows. Sometimes they eat camel also. Do they not?
Parivrājakācārya: Yes. But I don't think if they...
Prabhupāda: They cannot be strictly vegetarian; it is not possible.
Parivrājakācārya: It is difficult.
Prabhupāda: But even they eat meat they can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, there is no harm.
Prabhupāda: You go and find out some good place for camping and begin kīrtana. Get down from the bus and begin kīrtana. Then all friends will come immediately. They will offer shelter, they will offer food. Everything. One thing is, their difficulty is language. Indians are there, they can speak on the local language.
Guest: They can explain everything.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore wanted.(?)
Yaśomatīnandana: Vaikuṇṭha Ekādaśī. In Shri Rangam they have this giant festival every year, the biggest festival in India. It's Vaikuṇṭha Ekādaśī in December.
Guest: Last December we went there.
Yaśomatīnandana: November-December is a very good time. Pañca-puram. Bharadvāja.
Guest: (Bengali) This is the original birth, Shri Rangam.
Prabhupāda: Now with Suraji's(?) cooperation make a program.
Prabhupāda: Where they get this monkeys?
Caraṇāravindam: The monkey's alive and as you drink its brain it dies. They think this is also sport to them. Big horrible demons.
Devotee: In New York, I heard...
Hari-śauri: Andy Warhol. Now... Before I joined the movement I was working on a mining camp and they used to serve out sheep's brains every day. It was a big favorite with the Yugoslavs. Sheep's brains and...
Caraṇāravindam: Hearts.
Prabhupāda: Living sheep and cut?
Hari-śauri: No, no. They kill them first. It's like the Arabs. They eat sheep's eyeballs.
Prabhupāda: They eat?
Hari-śauri: Yes. The eyeball. They think it's a great delicacy.
Prabhupāda: Now their delicacy their own children. (break) ...big stack of bricks, iron. Left over.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Driver we'll get, there is no... So I want to preach little in the village. For that purpose in the big bus like that, we shall go with our tents, and we camp in a place where there is water, and begin our preaching. And Hindi book we are getting. In this way let me try in India, in the village, not in the city.
Devotee: Oh yes.
Haṁsadūta: For us there is no problem Prabhupāda, but it may be difficult for your Divine Grace.
Prabhupāda: No what is difficult? (laughter) But I want to do something for India in the village. So that I... That, we are getting lands, making one center, we can go here and there, not continually. Suppose here is a center, we go sometimes this side, sometimes this side, sometimes come back again.
Haṁsadūta: Um hm.
Hari-śauri: Find one good camping spot.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You go early in the morning and do something. If it is favorable... Just like in Bengal they are doing. (They get) good reception. You have heard it?
Haṁsadūta: Yes, I heard.
Prabhupāda: Very good reception.
Guest (4): During the Kumbha-mela we are having our rāma-kṣetra to serve the sādhus directly. We always started our camp on 21st December to last after tenth of February. If Mahārāja and all other devotees, they can definitely offer free arrangements over there because we have got the best camp. We have got the best camp.
Prabhupāda: Why should we spend for our camp? (laughter)
Guest (4): We are just on the bed of the river, far away from the mela, which is about three, four... We have our āśramas at various places, you know.
Prabhupāda: What is this philosophy? What is the philosophy?
Guest (4): Philosophy is bhajana of the Śaṅkarācārya.
Prabhupāda: But whether you recognize Kṛṣṇa...
Dr. Patel: Yes sir, he was our guru. We have published a book from the Calcutta University, so just take your remise. Leave the book for you.
Prabhupāda: Oh, this is for me? Bheṭiye, bheṭiye.(?) Vedānta philosophy (Hindi) Let us discuss. What is Vedānta philosophy? Let us discuss something. You belong to this camp, so what is Vedānta?
Dr. Patel: All Vaiṣṇavas believe in the personal God. This is only.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Bring some prasāda. Distribute. (break)
Guest (4): ...camp. Let your group come and stay in our camp.
Prabhupāda: No, no, we have already organized. We have also a organized camp. No, no, I would have saved this expenditure by joining your camp, but...
Guest (5): There is no question of expenditure. We welcome you and your institution over there. We have an arrangement for about two hundred tents and we have got enough food to offer you, quality food, which you won't find in the whole of the Kumbha-mela. Because originally...
Prabhupāda: But suppose if we speak in this way, then you'll not agree. (laughter) Real food is finished. Only puris, kacuris... (laughter)
Prabhupāda: So if you kindly give us a camp, but we shall preach this.
Guest (5): You are at liberty. There is no ban on it. Actually, you see we, as we said, we are serving the humanity directly.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. That all right. Nice. But sometimes, if somebody differs, that is not very palatable .
Guest (5): No, no, Swamiji. There is no... We welcome you there. I told Mangala when she came that we are not preaching a particular thing. We are going there to serve the people who come who are intellectual.
Prabhupāda: For spiritual enlightenment. That's nice.
Guest (5): Yes. And practically since many, many years our camp is considered as one of the best from all point of view. Hygienic arrangements, food quality. We don't use dalda or anything. We have the pure ghee. There are people who give with heart.
Prabhupāda: Suppose if you give us one camp, so how many men we can provide there?
Guest (5): At least 50 to 100 people we can accommodate.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Our men will not be fifty to so much. Suppose for us, if you spare one camp, so how many men we can accommodate there. Because...
Guest (5): In one tent at least we can accommodate six people. Easily. With a drawing room and two bedrooms. We have the military tents. And just on the bed of the river.
Prabhupāda: So how many men you are expecting?
Girirāja: Fourteen.
Prabhupāda: Fourteen. (break)
Dr. Patel: ...you can serve how many people?
Guest (5): Each tent we'll accommodate with all sanitary conditions. We have in one tent, which is quite a big one, six people easily. With a drawing and two beds.
Prabhupāda: So at least three camps we shall require.
Guest (5): Three or five. Whatever. Swamiji, number is immaterial.
Prabhupāda: Ācchā. So why don't you do that?
Prabhupāda: Then why don't you take?
Dr. Patel: That is very good. (Hindi)
Guest (5): Number is immaterial. We have the special boats plying from our camp because what our principle is (indistinct) away from the Mela, in seclusion. Now there is a bhāga, what is known as a munshi-bhāga (?) and since last 200 years all the director sādhus, they reside there because it is away from...
Prabhupāda: Munshi-bhāga that is...
Guest (5): Yushi. Yushi.(?) So as it is away from Mela there is no hustle and bustle of the Mela. It's a secluded place. And from there we ply our own boats. We have about six, eight boats that take you for snāna. In the early morning at four o'clock we have the snāna in the Ganges itself near our camp because...
Prabhupāda: Confluence, confluence.
Prabhupāda: No, no, that's all right. So you take advantage of it. (everyone talking at once) Now is offering, you should... So immediately arrange for this. So (Hindi)
Guest (5): I'll telephone today and we'll make the arrangement at least for five to six, seven tents.
Prabhupāda: Thank you very much. Then it will be very nice. We are willing to go there. And we must go there. It is Kumbha-mela. So if you give us five to six camps it will be very nice.
Guest (5): Even up to ten. You don't hesitate for the number.
Prabhupāda: Thank you. He's so liberal. You are actually Brahman.(laughter) Brahman means unlimited.
Guest (5): Virāṭ.
Prabhupāda: Virāṭ. Bṛhatyad, brnhanatya iti brahman.(?) Not only the largest, but increasing. That is Brahman. Bṛhatya brnghanatya.(?) I'm very much thankful to you. So you arrange immediately. (Hindi)
Guest (5): I will send a message today and you will let me know the date. They will come and receive you either at the Benares airport or here at Allahabad station. Because it's not far away from Allahabad.
Prabhupāda: Yes, I know. I was in Allahabad for thirteen years.
Prabhupāda: Yamunā bridge, there are two bridges.
Guest (5): Just near Yamunā bridge there is an institution which belongs to Bombay and that institution is reserved for us just to give a shelter first to people who come by rail.
Prabhupāda: So take all these notes. We'll save so much money.
Guest (5): Transit camp.
Prabhupāda: So immediately.
Guest (5): I'll come again, don't worry.
Prabhupāda: Thank you very much. Now, distribute prasāda.
Guest (5): Actually, you know, Swamiji, I have stayed over here whenever he used to come. He passed away in 1960.
Prabhupāda: Who?
Guest (5): Our swamiji. He passed away at (indistinct) in 1960, 14th February. And he was very fond of Juhu since 1923. Whenever he was coming to Bombay.
Prabhupāda: Juhu is very nice, I know.
Prabhupāda: That is a fact. Before me, for the last two hundred years, so many swamis and yogis went to the Western countries. Nobody could convert a single person to Hinduism. That is a fact in the history. These foreigners-giving up meat-eating, illicit sex, no intoxication, no gambling—it is a horrible thing for them. Lord Zetland said, "This is impossible for us." Factually it is impossible, because American government spent millions of dollars to stop this LSD intoxication but it was not successful. But they have seen that as soon as the same boy comes to our camp, he immediately gives up, immediately, without any protest, that "Why shall I give up?" No. I ask, "You have to give up." "Yes, we do." That's a fact. Therefore this Swami Chit?
Jagadīśa: Chandra Swami.
Prabhupāda: Ah, Chandra Swami, has strongly recommended that "This is the only movement which is converting Christian into Hindu." He is pleased on this account. He is not interested our Hare... He has said that "I am not very much interested in Hare Kṛṣṇa, but I am interested in this point." That is natural, that nobody could convert the Christian to Hindu, but this movement is doing that.
Prabhupāda: No, if you teach yoga system, they'll pay for that?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This is how it's going to work. We are going to give them free yoga lessons. They will come in our guesthouse and live there. But we have already increased the rate of the room.
Prabhupāda: That is not good.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: No, this is how all these yoga camps are working. They make their money from the rest, from the rent.
Prabhupāda: One who is not going to learn yoga system, then they have to pay increased rate.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: No. This is an extra facility. In other words...
Prabhupāda: No, extra facility is... Somebody may be interested in learning yoga, others may not be. So why he should pay more?
Prabhupāda: That's all right. Then why...? You become expert. If you cannot find out seven men, then what is this institution? Anyway, one may not be very expert, but he should practice how to explain. The explanation is there. He has to simply do it very nicely, that's all. Everything is there. And the students should sit down in that way here. That's all. It's not at all difficult.
Jagadīśa: Usually the yoga camps begin on a certain date and finish on a certain date.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jagadīśa: Usually the yoga camps advertise to begin lessons on a certain date and finish by a certain date.
Prabhupāda: That is seven days.
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Prabhupāda: Oh, by plane. Oh.
Guest (5): Train. Howrah Mail, Howrah Express, getting down at Prayāga. And I'll be there to 14th and 15th.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So you can go to our camp.
Guest (5): Camp. I am going with Mr. Munshi only. (Hindi) He's already there, and we are going to put up with them only.
Prabhupāda: That is far away. It takes, I understand, one and a half hours to come.
Guest (5): It is three miles away, in water, in the river.
Prabhupāda: Three miles means one and a half hour? So go one and a half hour and come one and a half hour-three hours.
Guest (5): No, where is our camp then?
Prabhupāda: We have got our camp underneath the bridge.
Prabhupāda: Cut into pieces.
Mr. Asnani: Prabhupāda, Allahabad, where are you staying?
Prabhupāda: We have got our own camp. You are coming?
Mr. Asnani: I am not fortunate.
Prabhupāda: I am going because I have to go to Bhuvaneśvara via Calcutta. So it is on the way. And besides that, it is a big function. And because my health is not good, if Allahabad atmosphere or Bhuvaneśvara atmosphere helps me little, it is... Of all foodstuff, I see the kitri is good for me, little kitri.
Mr. Asnani: Easily digested also.
Prabhupāda: So I shall begin again kitri. (Hindi) (break) ...take agriculture, you must keep cows. Both of them are related.
Prabhupāda: That is best, but fire protection-wise...
Gurudāsa: Well, one thing I was thinking we can put shamiyanas on the outside of it or the inside. I looked at the other camps, and most of the big ācāryas, etc., they have straw houses.
Prabhupāda: Straw.
Gurudāsa: Therefore I thought if they have, then you should have.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. That's all right. But one gentleman wants to give us a house.
Gurudāsa: Kapoor?
Prabhupāda: Ha, ha. Have you seen that?
Gurudāsa: No. Not yet. I've been too busy. To get to any place you have to walk. But the first thing I did, I got a...
Prabhupāda: Why to walk?
Gurudāsa: Well, I hired a autoscooter for the day, but there's so many things to do that since you had a place to live, I put that..., that I'm going to see it, but I didn't do it immediately. I went to see Munshi's camp though. Now, that is three miles away. That I walked to. It took one and a half hours to go.
Prabhupāda: One and a half hours!
Prabhupāda: Why to walk?
Gurudāsa: Well, I hired a autoscooter for the day, but there's so many things to do that since you had a place to live, I put that..., that I'm going to see it, but I didn't do it immediately. I went to see Munshi's camp though. Now, that is three miles away. That I walked to. It took one and a half hours to go.
Prabhupāda: One and a half hours!
Gurudāsa: From our camp. And one and a half hours back. They kept on saying, "Sida, sida! Agi, agi!" And finally I got there. And their camp is not nicer than ours. It would mean a saving of approximately...
Prabhupāda: At the cost of inconvenience.
Gurudāsa: But it wouldn't even save that much money, because our tents... When I got there, the one thing that was up, were our tents.
Prabhupāda: Where is the Mamford(?) Gandhi? Do you know?
Gurudāsa: No. At Kapoor's house. I will go and see. Also Gopāla Kṛṣṇa mentioned a Ghosh. I'm going to get all the addresses from Jagadīśa prabhu and look into it.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Dr. Ghosh.
Prabhupāda: Dr. Ghosh is a little off.
Gurudāsa: But Gopāla Prabhu said that you would rather live in our camp.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gurudāsa: So then we'll make the best house we can for you.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Gurudāsa: Now, will you have blankets with you, or should we get everything there? I'll talk to you about it later.
Prabhupāda: I have got my overcoat.
Prabhupāda: Our visitors, they have got facility to come?
Gurudāsa: Yes. We have Life Member tents, and some visitors have been coming. I have been receiving them. So we have... There's one thing I wanted to ask you. A lot of youths are coming, Western youths, some hippies, but mostly clean. Some hippies. But there are two hippies, and I saw what they were like, and I didn't allow them to stay. But mostly our camp is... Until the devotees come, there are some tents that are empty. So they said, "We need a place to stay. Is it all right?" So I said, "Tonight you can stay. Then I'll let you know later on." And we preached to them. We have a morning program there, and we have an evening program. So they attended. So I thought with your permission I could erect some tents, not in our living area... The chokidhars I put outside, right on the gate, because I didn't think they should live in our area, but they should be there, so the chokidhars have a tent. I thought behind the pandal I could erect some tents, or even behind our tin where people wouldn't see them so much, we could invite some guests, charge them something for living and preach to them.
Prabhupāda: Hm. But they smoke.
Prabhupāda: They will drink; they will smoke; they will not take bath. These are the defects. These people are unclean.
Gurudāsa: Yes. Suppose they are willing...
Prabhupāda: It will spoil the cleanliness of the...
Gurudāsa: Of course, they would not be in our camp.
Prabhupāda: It may be. But their, that association is very undesirable.
Gurudāsa: Yes, Yes. What if someone is willing to follow the regulations?
Prabhupāda: First they should be shaved, clean-shaved. Will they accept that? They must take early in the water, take bath. Cleanliness.
Gurudāsa: No, they won't do. So I won't have that. I just thought it was a preaching opportunity.
Prabhupāda: Preaching, if there is not clean even, what they will understand?
Prabhupāda: Preaching, if there is not clean even, what they will understand?
Gurudāsa: Well, when I came, I was not clean either. By your grace I cleaned up.
Hari-śauri: They won't clean up.
Gurudāsa: No, no. I accept what, you know. I want to do...
Prabhupāda: People may not misunderstand that "This is hippie camp."
Gurudāsa: Yes. The police were sending, and I went to the Mela officials...
Prabhupāda: Therefore the police came. They thought that you are hippies.
Gurudāsa: No, I don't think, because this was before they came.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, their association is not good.
Prabhupāda: Foreign funds.
Gurudāsa: In other words, that letter would say, "I would oversee this." On the other hand, there's a man from CARE who went to our camp and was very impressed with the food program. I thought we could get a letter from him, because Germany knows CARE and they don't know Tarun Kanti Gosh from the dobi.
Prabhupāda: No.
Gurudāsa: So I thought CARE would be good, so Abhirama Prabhu is trying for that. Also I saw C. L. Bijaya yesterday when I was waiting to come here, and he was very happy to see me. And he said by your inspiration, "I want to give you that room downstairs."
Prabhupāda: Which room?
Gurudāsa: That room at the bottom.
Prabhupāda: Oh, that will solve our great problem.
Prabhupāda: But there is easy way to come?
Gurudāsa: It's not that difficult. It's just a little distant. Some people were coming. Cars can come also. If they want to come, they can come. It's not far, but it's not so close. I wanted to give you a proper picture. I didn't want...
Prabhupāda: No, our former camp, last time...? So this is not so good?
Gurudāsa: Location was better. But our living is better this time. Living is better, but location was better last time.
Prabhupāda: That location cannot be had. What is the reason?
Gurudāsa: Well, first of all, when I came they already settled it up. There's nothing I can do, you know. I said immediately, "This is not such a good location." And Bhāgavata said, "I did not know. I saw it on the map. I had no experience." So I didn't blame him because he didn't know. So they said that "You will draw people, and so we thought we would put others..." I think it is political.
Hari-śauri: "You draw more people, so you can go out of the way."
Prabhupāda: Political?
Prabhupāda: Political?
Gurudāsa: Yes. I think that many people were pushing for good positions, and we did not push, and... Last year was good, but, of course, the saṅgam has shifted a little. The saṅgam has shifted to the island where we are. The governor's camp is on the island. And there's some people. Maharishi is on the island. It's just I didn't want to say it's a wonderful location and then you come there and see that it's a little bit far off. I wanted to tell you...
Prabhupāda: Only it is far off.
Gurudāsa: And there's another slight defect, which is that it's underneath a railway bridge.
Prabhupāda: Railway bridge?
Prabhupāda: How can I think unless I see? (break)
Hari-śauri: If it's not suitable at the camp, Prabhupāda can go to the house at night and the camp in the day.
Gurudāsa: Yes. Even during the day he doesn't have to go except for darśana.
Prabhupāda: All right. Whatever you say.
Gurudāsa: Your area is completely enclosed, though, from the rest. (break)
Prabhupāda: Where is this? One and a half hour?
Gurudāsa: One and a half hours. It is on the edge of Jushi, past, way past the first pontoon bridge.
Prabhupāda: Pontoon bridge.
Prabhupāda: How many men are found there?
Gurudāsa: When I was leaving there was about eighty thousand.
Prabhupāda: Acchā?
Gurudāsa: But they expect ten million. That's the estimate. Many camps, many pandals.
Prabhupāda: And store, supplies, everything is...
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Road is nice.
Gurudāsa: It's being improved. In some spots it's nice. But because it's on sand they have to always keep it wet and they put metal plates down. They're trying to do it very well.
Prabhupāda: There is a Māghmela committee. One magistrate is the head. A regular committee for managing this Mela.
Gurudāsa: We have contact with this committee.
Prabhupāda: And where is governor's camp from our?
Prabhupāda: So work very vigorously.
Hari-śauri: I can record that.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) (break)
Rāmeśvara: I can show you this later. This is a copy of a newsletter that we have intercepted from the enemy camp. We have our newsletter, and they also have their newsletter. So we have gotten ourselves on their mailing list, so we can find out all their strategy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. When there is fight these things are studied. (Hindi) When there is fight there is no question of immoral or moral. "We must get victory," that's all. Kṛṣṇa did it. Kṛṣṇa asked...
Hari-śauri: According to this, they've made it legal, deprogramming. They're making it legal that they can hold a person by force until they break him mentally.
Jagadīśa: Rāmeśvara? Are there many of our devotees who've been deprogrammed, or are they mostly other groups?
Rāmeśvara: Mostly the others. Śrīla Prabhupāda, the business of the Book Trust has gotten very big. So the warehouse in Los Angeles has become too small. So we have gotten a new warehouse.
Prabhupāda: We have got a warehouse like Howrah Station.
Prabhupāda: We have got our psychologists.
Rāmeśvara: These psychologists say that if there is a lack of sleep, then the mind becomes very susceptible to another person's ideas. You can get control of him by depriving him of sleep. Just like they say... There was a war once in the country of Korea between America and China, and the prisoners, the Americans, were captured and put into these prison camps, and the Chinese tried to convert them to Communism by lack of sleep and lack of food, torture. In this way, they say, this is widely accepted that if a person has too little sleep or too little food, then you can break his will and change his life by force.
Prabhupāda: So that is all right. Then you break. Now he's quite fit for your conversion. He's now weak. You convert him to your ideas. (laughter) We have made the ground.
Rāmeśvara: That's what they want! They want us...
Prabhupāda: Then why do you kidnap? You say.
Prabhupāda: But any psychologist will give report or anyone can...
Rāmeśvara: Anyone. You just pay him, and he'll give you a report. They are rascals. And then the court issues an order that "Now this person's freedom is taken away," and she's put under the charge of her family for thirty days. Then they come with the police, and they give the paper, and they take her away by force, and they fly her to one of these camps where they harass her for thirty days.
Gargamuni: Brainwash.
Rāmeśvara: Try to break their faith.
Gargamuni: Actually they are brainwashing.
Prabhupāda: So this can be done by law?
Rāmeśvara: They have some law, and they are misusing it for this purpose.
Prabhupāda: Then what to do?
Rāmeśvara: Well we have... I mentioned we have got these lawyers who want to start a nationwide organization to fight this law for us. So the head of this group is in San Francisco...
Prabhupāda: Now, the... Externally, it appears that anyone can be kidnapped simply by the certificate of the psychologist.
Prabhupāda: Oh, long distance.
Gargamuni: Yes. Very long flight. So I was number 15,000 on the list. Everybody camped out at the airport. Because of the war everyone wanted to leave. So there was a line of 15,000 people. They gave me my number. I was 15,000. So we waited at the airport. I said, "I can't wait here," because the bombs were dropping and the tanks were coming and the troops were coming and... I said, "I gotta get out of here." So I spoke with the commander, and I played him a tape of kīrtana. I had a tape, and they... All the officers, they were Mussulmen from Pakistan, and they started clapping: "Oh, kīrtana." You know. So I asked him, "Could you allow me to go on board before all the others? There's no use in us staying here. Who knows what will happen? We are foreigners." We were dressed as sādhus also. So he allowed us to go on in front of everyone. So we managed to leave.
Prabhupāda: What was the condition at that time, general, during the war?
Gargamuni: Where? In Dacca?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Don't make it a burden. If it is properly utilized, do it. All right. Take rest. So you want this...? (break) This is the only camp connected with that unfortunate sunhouse? (somehow?)
Indian man (1): That's... I am wondering
Indian man (2): (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (3): (Bengali)
Devotee: It is not the first day that it has happened
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee: It is not the first night that it has happened.
Prabhupāda: Daily it is going on? Eh?
Devotee: Last night we had electricity, but the nights before that, we had no electricity.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) (end)
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's a fact.
Rāmeśvara: But his movement is so nonsense, he has women sannyāsīs. Swami Māyādevī (laughter). I've seen a picture of his advertisement. "Join our camp..."
Prabhupāda: The woman sannyāsī, Rāmakrishna Mission has.
Rāmeśvara: He's... What is it? Śivānanda? Divine Light. They advertise, "Come to our summer camp for yoga practice, and our women will teach you." They are swamis.
Gargamuni: His students sued him one time because he preaches brahmācārya.
Prabhupāda: I have seen their sannyāsī kissing woman on the street.
Rāmeśvara: On the street.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He came to see me in London, and I saw in the street there was some woman; he is kissing her. I have seen sannyāsī.
Hari-śauri: We saw one man in the Rāmānuja camp, too. He hadn't sat down for eighteen years. He carried a small swing with him, so wherever he went, he would go underneath a tree and hang the swing and lean on it. And he'd not sat down for eighteen years. (laughter) He had bandages all over his legs.
Bhāgavata: They have concocted this. It is not written in Vedas anywhere.
Prabhupāda: No, there are. Hiraṇyakaśipu did it.
Bhāgavata: That is a Vedic...?
Prabhupāda: Yes. But what did he gain?
Bhāgavata: He got this. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: What did he gain? Became a rākṣasa and was killed.
Guest (1): No, they go back again and...
Prabhupāda: Yes. Go back, they do everything. They remain the same thing, simply rubberstamp. That's all. (Bengali) ...an actual fact. So they are seeing it is dangerous. They say, "It is epidemic. Brainwash." (Bengali) ...that once gone, this camp, Hare Kṛṣṇa camp, never return. Finished. (Bengali) ...compromise nei... Individually, family-wise, when the boy goes, he's gone forever. (Bengali) Hari-śauri! (Bengali) (Bengali) Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam (BG 18.66).
Guest (1): But without that, it is just like Hindu question.
Prabhupāda: They go to other temples also.
Prabhupāda: All. So Manipur is a small state. If it is possible... Hm?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So I should ask some of them to...
Prabhupāda: Hm. If some of the leaders may come and see me. Just like the governor of Chandigarh. He's nice man. He came to see me in his governmental position with his aide-de-camp, car and men. So I think Manipuri people... And it is a Vaiṣṇava state. Why not make it Kṛṣṇa conscious? They are already Kṛṣṇa conscious. Make it in a systematic way.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: These chief minister, they claim... They're called R.K., means rāja-kumāras. Claim to be the descendants of...
Prabhupāda: Babhruvāhana. Then he can do that. He can do that. And what is the wrong? Suppose the legislators become first-class brāhmaṇa, so what is the wrong there? Hm?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. In Manipur, it's no so much influenced yet from outside civilization.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I suggest. They are Vaiṣṇavas. They can take it and show an ideal state in the world. Then others may follow.
Prabhupāda: I have seen the camp.
Gargamuni: Of course, we didn't spend as much as the others, but ours was the most attractive because of your books.
Hṛdayānanda: How many...? You have all the books there?
Gargamuni: Yes. We have them on display. All of the books.
Hṛdayānanda: In different languages?
Gargamuni: Yes, in all the languages. We sold a Spanish book. Spanish Bhāgavatam someone bought. There's international people there. Some Russians came. We sold Russian book. We had one Russian book, and we sold it.
Prabhupāda: A small book, Easy Journey.
Bhakti-caru: You told Professor Kotovsky that this caste system is existing everywhere, in every society in the world.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. In the body there is caste system. The head is the brāhmaṇa, the hand is the kṣatriya, the belly is the vaiśya and the leg is the śūdra. Everything head, that will not help. There must be leg also. But it must be conducted under the guidance of the head. Then it is all right. If the head is not there and leg is utilized for jumping, that is monkey's business. The leg must work according to the dictation of the head. The hand must work according to the dictation of the head. "The caste system should be abolished." What is the caste system? There is no caste system. Everyone is śūdra. Who is a brāhmaṇa now, qualified, except one or two in our camp?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The article ends by saying, "Let harijanas be their own pathfinders and let them lead themselves from darkness to light, from pain to pleasure."
Prabhupāda: That you do not know. Otherwise you would have done it.
Prabhupāda: Did you go to the camp of that Bhajan?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yogi Bhajan.
Upendra: No, I didn't go to any other camp.
Prabhupāda: Why you had pāgaṛi like Yogi Bhajan?
Upendra: Oh. My habit is always to...
Prabhupāda: Imitate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That man is such a bluffer.
Prabhupāda: Everyone bluffer. The transcendental meditation.
Prabhupāda: Anartha upaśamaṁ sākṣāt. Nobody dies without illicit sex or intoxication. Anartha, unnecessarily they are habituated. There is no need, but by bad association you have practiced this, habituated, cannot be given up. LSD. Government spends so much, millions of dollars, that "These hippies may give up." Not successful. See practically. And as soon as they come to our camp, they give up. Is it not?
Jayapatākā: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Anartha upaśamaṁ sākṣāt. In every step anartha. This material life means anartha. There is no need, but anādi karama phale. Due to our karma we are put into this unfavorable condition, and it is very difficult to come out of it. But if you take to bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje, immediately... Who is taking, without any force... How practical it is. Anartha upaśamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: They already like our program of chanting and dancing.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Yaśomatīnandana: Very much they love it. People come from distant villages in groups.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Make them... In Gujarat it is very good. So you show an example that other camp will...
Yaśomatīnandana: This year we are taking some cash crops just to develop the farm.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Yaśomatīnandana: But then, once we have developed, then we can have rice and wheat and then distribute free prasāda to everyone. Because every inch of the land is cultivatable.
Prabhupāda: I have given so much for... Try to repay.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We will make a palanquin, special palanquin, you see, which will have a bed in it. It will be very nice. And it will have curtains. When you want, the curtains can come down or they can come up. And it will be full length, so you can recline very comfortably. And we will make a camp. We will go by foot all the way.
Prabhupāda: Very good idea. If I die then, it will be a great luck.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And if you live it will be also great luck.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Jīvo vā māro vā.
Trivikrama: For us it will be greater luck if you live.
Prabhupāda: Yes, I want also. What is that?
Bhavānanda: He was trying... The... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...parikrama was liven to them. Eh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Trivikrama: This parikrama is very enthusiastic.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...krama you can increase.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And we can pitch camp. We can go few miles, stop. And we don't have to come back here every day. It's not difficult.
Prabhupāda: Then you have to arrange for campment previously.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Arrange for?
Bhavānanda: Campment beforehand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Previously, ahead of time, yes. Or we could come back every day. The only thing I don't like about doing that, if we stay with someone else, then it is too much botheration for Your Divine Grace. I know that, because everyone will want darśana. My idea was to camp... Not to camp where there was any place, but to camp on our own, in the field or wherever. Bring some tents, set up the tent.
Prabhupāda: Not to advertise.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Or we can go and bring your car and come back every day.
Prabhupāda: No. This camping is very...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very nice. So shall we arrange for it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. (break) Śyāma-kuṇḍa, Govardhana, Barṣāṇā, Nandagrāma, Brahma-ghāṭa, all these places. Remember when we went bathing in that... I think it was Brahma-ghāṭa. You bathed. We will go there again. All around Vṛndāvana. See all the Deities of Vṛndāvana.
Prabhupāda: Very good idea.
Prabhupāda: England?
Girirāja: He's about fifty-year-old gentleman who was the manager of a big club in London. So he had been associating with the devotees in London, and they suggested he come to India and help manage our restaurant and guesthouse. So he was the aide-de-camp of the Viceroy of India.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Remember, I told you about him, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Girirāja: So he knows a little Hindi. He has a very distinguished...
Prabhupāda: Which viceroy?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Which viceroy?
Girirāja: The last viceroy, Mountbatten.
Prabhupāda: Forty years?
Girirāja: Well, he's about, I think, sixty years old now. And when he was a young man of twenty he was the aide-de-camp of the viceroy. And I think he was also the secretary to the governor of Punjab when it was under the British.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He met with Gandhi and all of these other leaders.
Girirāja: Then, just after I left... Before that, I spoke to Gopāla Kṛṣṇa, and he was arranging for Mahāṁśa Swami and Mr. Polareddy to meet the President of India to invite him to be the chief guest because Mr. Polareddy of Hyderabad knows the present President. And then, so far as the publicity for the opening, we felt that we should actually fix up the chief guest first, because if some big person like the President comes, that will be an important part of the wording of the invitation and the other publicity.
Prabhupāda: So finishing?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Construction?
Girirāja: Well, the building was not finished.
Prabhupāda: So you come at four, have kīrtana (?). (break) I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider I am dead and let me try to travel all the tīrthasthāna. Without any responsibility. If I become recovered from this malady I shall come back and then I shall die in, what is it when the dead body is there, let them bring to Māyāpur and Vṛndāvana. I am thinking in this way. Bring little medicine and no medicine, little milk, and travel one place to another and if there is death, what is the lamentation? My age is ripe. In the open air and bullock cart or during daytime, eh? Or you can say semi-suicide, although living what consider me dead for the time. You manage and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine. So during daytime I shall travel and nighttime you make a camp under a tree. In this way let me travel all the tīrthas. I am thinking in this way. What is your opinion?
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, we promise that we'll manage everything to the best of our ability.
Prabhupāda: No, no, you are managing, I know, but you are all important men and unnecessarily you are bound up. You cannot go. So Lokanātha party has got some experience and let me go. In India the climate is now good. If I recover, it is very good. You know. So what is the wrong? If I die, then the body will be brought either in Vṛndāvana or Māyāpur, that's all. And if I live, it will be a great end of a life. You are all experienced.
Prabhupāda: Daytime we expose in the sunshine, and camp underneath a tree at night. That has to be arranged. (Bengali with Bhakti-caru-Prabhupāda drinks something)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, should the devotees take prasādam now?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's about 1:30 now. After taking prasādam we can meet and chalk out a program for parikrama and tīrtha-yātrā. Is that all right? Okay.
Prabhupāda: I thought you have taken.
Prabhupāda: So do it.
Pañca-draviḍa: Yes, we'll prepare the cart tonight, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Lokanātha: When we started the bullock cart you said, "Go to the heart of the village," and we said, "What is this heart?" You said, "Wherever there is well, water, we should camp. We should stay." That is where we could remain clean.
Prabhupāda: That you have experience. I have no experience.
Lokanātha: Maybe you sent me to experience this bullock cart program so that you could...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lokanātha: ...in future go on bullock cart.
Prabhupāda: For me it is experiment.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We should also request kavirāja to come along?
Prabhupāda: Invite him.
Prabhupāda: Front party.
Lokanātha: Front party, advance party, yes.
Prabhupāda: They'll give us description of the land, and before our going, they'll make a camp. Small, big, that doesn't matter. And in the morning, the former camp broken, and go to the next camp with kīrtana. In the meantime the other camp is ready to receive you. Then the next camp, after taking prasādam, they'll go to the next camp.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do you follow this, Lokanātha? Do you have a question to ask?
Lokanātha: So there is a smaller group going in advance, and bigger group with you stays back.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lokanātha: Yes, and they go, fix the place, and inform your party where they are and what kind of arrangement they have made. And when you are satisfied, you leave that place to join the first group, small group, advance party. Right?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And after Prabhupāda joins that group, then the advance party goes again.
Lokanātha: To the next place, to make further arrangements at the next place.
Prabhupāda: In this way.
| Page Title: | Camp (Conversations) |
| Compiler: | Visnu Murti, Mayapur |
| Created: | 08 of Aug, 2011 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=100, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 100 |