Jayapatākā: Some people say: "We want the Gītā. This is only gān." But then we have to say: "No, this has got the full Gītā. Everything is there. Every śloka is in here. Only put in gān form. But it is actual Gītā." Other people, they say, "I have so many Gītās." We say: "No, no, you can chant this with your harmonium, or by khol and karatāla you can sing." So many ways the people are taking it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they can sing very nicely.
Jayapatākā: When we can hear over the loudspeakers Gītār Gān being sung, then we will feel very happy. When the public will start singing publicly Gītār Gān . . .
Prabhupāda: Public singing?
Jayapatākā: When the public begin to recite Gītār Gān at their functions, like they're doing this Tulasīdāsa Rāmāyaṇa, if they start that in Bengal, Gītār Gān, then it will be a big success.
Prabhupāda: Tulasīdāsa. Tulasīdāsa Rāmāyaṇa is very popular. Because the Hindis, they have no literature. There is no literature.
Jayapatākā: If some Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava could rewrite that according to siddhānta, then it would be very good.
Prabhupāda: Which one?
Jayapatākā: His Rāmāyaṇa has got many philosophical errors in it.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Jayapatākā: If a Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava could write that properly . . .
Prabhupāda: Why? Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava has immense literature. Why they should bother with Tulasīdāsa? By reading Tulasīdāsa's Rāma-carita-mānasa, in my experience I've not seen a single man has come to the spiritual platform. I have not seen a single man.
Gargamuni: Yes. That is not transcendental literature. Because by reading these books you come to transcendental realization.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is wanted. They want āśīrvāda. Just like so many people come, āśīrvāda. "You are a saintly person, you give me āśīrvāda so my material happiness may increase. I am not interested with the spiritual knowledge. Give me blessing so that for nothing I get . . . upgrade my material opulence." This is their . . . so those Tulasīdāsa readers, they are like that. They want material opulence. Ārto-arthārthī. Arthārthī, want some material benefit. They chant Tulasīdāsa's Rāma-carita-mānasa for some material benefit. They're not interested in the spiritual advancement. Nobody. That . . . in Delhi temple where they have paṇḍita? I'm forgetting his name.
Jayapatākā: One paṇḍita in Delhi? That one āśrama is there. The one whom you stayed with that time?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇadāsa?
Jayapatākā: I just met him once. Tejiyas brought him. He's got some āśrama. Some Ācārya or something. Ācārya something.
Prabhupāda: Oh, that Prabhākāra.
Jayapatākā: Ācārya Prabhākāra?
Prabhupāda: No. Prabhākāra is different. Prabhākāra was first-initiated.
Jayapatākā: Your first disciple.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Hari-nāma-mantra he was given.