Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Why you bring man? This machine is being operated. . . created and being operated by God.
Paramahaṁsa: Well, we don't have any experience of such a machine.
Prabhupāda: Huh? What do you mean by machine? First of all define what is your idea of machine. Just like the other day we saw, we saw the Thomson Press, they're being printed, being collected, and so many things are being done. It is like this. By machine the seasonal changes are going on, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, the water in the ocean, the waves are there. Everything, machine working. It is machine. Everything being systematically done. Such a big ocean, vast water, it is just on the brink, no more. It is so organized. The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You'll find everything is going on like that. (break) "Today is ekādaśī, eleventh day of the moon; the moon shall be like this." There one can see the moon and he can calculate, "Today is ekādaśī." This is not machine? It is exactly, machine.
Paramahaṁsa: But the thing is that this machine is so wonderful that it goes on without an operator.
Prabhupāda: That is your dullness! You are rascal, you cannot understand how the machine is working, how big it is. That is your dullness. But it is a machine, very big machine. You cannot understand—that is not, that this is not a machine. This is not very good argument, that "I cannot understand, therefore it is not a machine." But you see the idea machine is there already, everything is going on—machine.
Śrutakīrti: It is such a good machine it doesn't require an operator.
Paramahaṁsa: That is the wonder of it.
Prabhupāda: No. That is wrong. You cannot find out in your experience anywhere, any machine which is not being operated by a person. You cannot find it. Then why do you bring this idea that without operator it is going on? Where you get this idea? This is a false idea. Because you have no such experience. Where is the machine that "Here is a machine going on without any operator"? Find out a machine.
Paramahaṁsa: We're trying. We're trying. (laughter) There are some automatic machines.
Prabhupāda: Automatic is at the hand of the operator, button.
Śrutakīrti: Someone must turn it on and off.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no such automatic machine. It is impossible to prove.
Gaṇeśa: But we can see the operator of these small machines, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We cannot see the operator of this big machine.
Prabhupāda: Have you seen the operator in the powerhouse? Electric?
Gaṇeśa: No.
Prabhupāda: Then? Do you think the powerhouse is going on?
Paramahaṁsa: Well, we could see him. Because we could drive there right now and see him.
Prabhupāda: Yes, you can see. Yes. You can go to Kṛṣṇa and see Him. That requires qualification.
Paramahaṁsa: That's not as easy.
Prabhupāda: No, it is very easy. It is simply, as we are teaching our students, just become a devotee, offer namaskār, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto (BG 18.65), always think of Him, and you will go to Him. It is not at all difficult. Bahavo jñāna-tapasā mad-bhāvam āgatāḥ (BG 4.10): "Bahavo, many, did come to Me." How? Jñāna-tapasā, "By knowledge and tapasya, being purified, they come to Me," Kṛṣṇa says. Why you are disappointed? You can go. Kṛṣṇa is open. Te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim (BG 9.32). Striya śūdra tathā vaiśya: even the women, less intelligent, the śūdra, vaiśya, they can come and see Him. Where is the difficulty? Even if you are born very lowest, you can go. Kṛṣṇa is open to everyone. Simply you become qualified, that's all. And what is the qualification? Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65): "Just always think of Me, become My devotee, offer your respect to Me, and man-manā, worship Me." That's all. Four things. That we are opening this temple for this purpose, that you always think of Him, you worship Him, you offer obeisances to Him and become His devotee. And then? Mām evaiṣyasi asaṁśayaḥ (BG 18.68), without a doubt you will come to Him. What is the difficulty? There is no difficulty.