Prabhupāda: They are not progressing. They are rascals. What their meaning of progressing, these fourth-class men? That is our verdict, Kṛṣṇa's verdict. What progress? If you have made progress, then you are thinking, "What will happen, future?" Where is your progress? You rest assured that "We have made so much progress. Now there will be no more problem." So why you have engaged so many so-called rascals again to solve the problems? Where is your advancement? If you are full of anxiety, then where is your happiness? Is anyone who is full of anxiety, he is happy? Is he happy?
Amogha: Well, not . . . but if he takes some intoxicant or he goes to cinema, then he feels better.
Prabhupāda: You are adding rascal upon rascal. (laughs) They do that, you know. They are fools. They are rascals. The same philosophy: if you have got enemy in the front, you close your eyes and he kills you. The rabbit, they do that. As soon as they find some big animal, they close.
Paramahaṁsa: Ostriches stick their head in a hole in the ground.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Amogha: But there must be some progress, because so many are joining the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement.
Prabhupāda: They are making real advancement. Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam. Their these material anxieties will be over. They are making advancement. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam (CC Antya 20.12). By chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa their dirty heart will be cleansed, and as soon as it is fully cleansed, the problems of material existence will be over. No more anxiety.
Amogha: They seem happy, but . . . the devotees of Kṛṣṇa seem happy, but they don't do much practical work. They always sing and dance and ask for some money. But they don't work any practical thing. We're doing so many practical things.
Prabhupāda: Dancing is not working? And writing book is not working? Selling book is not working? What is working then? Hmm? Like monkey jumping? Yes? That is working?
Amogha: But we are helping people practically, like in the hospital or the alcoholics . . .
Prabhupāda: No, what . . . how you are helping? Do you think if one goes to hospital he will not die? And how you are helping? You are thinking you are helping.