Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It is such a challenge. Your statements are such a challenge to their so-called science that they're still in shock. I still think that they do not take us seriously yet because it's such a difference to what they are saying. Soon, gradually, they'll take...
Prabhupāda: Therefore we have engaged these scientists. They are going to publish one paper.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very good.
Prabhupāda: Sa-vijñānam.
Hari-śauri: That's the name of the paper.
Prabhupāda: And other scientists have joined. Scientist in four subject matters, an Indian gentleman.
Hari-śauri: I think he's here now.
Prabhupāda: He's here? He has come?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What's his name?
Hari-śauri: Sharma.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, no. Different one.
Hari-śauri: This one has four Ph.D.s.
Prabhupāda: He has got some international name. So he says that "It's great fortune I have met you." He's now realizing his mistakes. He has still some respect for Vivekananda; that I did not disturb; he might misunderstand. Actually this Vivekananda rascal, what he has done? What is his contribution?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You always add on "rascal" whenever you mention his name.
Prabhupāda: No, no, what he has done? He has ruined the Vedic culture.
Hari-śauri: Completely misrepresented it.
Prabhupāda: And the Bon Mahārāja is his follower. He's in name a disciple of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, but he's a servant of Vivekananda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's very similar to him.
Prabhupāda: He's a great appreciator of Vivekananda. He has put in his curriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi philosophy. Rascal, what philosophy they have got?
Hari-śauri: He mentioned all the nonsense people. He put a circular out, he mentioned Rama Tirtha, Vivekananda, all these nonsense.
Prabhupāda: Now I am convinced he's a rascal. He's nothing but a great rascal. My Guru Mahārāja rejected him. Therefore he was called back, rascal, he used to say like that, banamānuṣa. Banamānuṣa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bon?
Prabhupāda: His name is Bon Mahārāja, and my Guru Mahārāja used to say banamānuṣa. Banamānuṣa means the gorilla. (laughter) He is black also like gorilla. He has given so much trouble to Guru Mahārāja.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So we should go now, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Called him back: "Call this rascal back." Every month he was being sent seven hundred rupees. That, in those days seven hundred rupees is a big amount. So at least ten time value has gone up. Seven hundred means seven thousand. He was spending for nothing, and he was publishing report, "Swamiji is playing on harmonium." And photo. This is first year, second, like that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And he told your Guru Mahārāja that "Unless we serve meat, they will not come."
Prabhupāda: Ācchā! I do not know that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think you have once said that he had written to your Guru Mahārāja that letter. I heard that, that "Unless we serve meat," in England, when he was in England.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he was in England. Just like these rascals...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ramakrishna Mission.
Prabhupāda: They serve muragī, this chicken prasādam.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Chicken prasādam!
Hari-śauri: You told us in Madras that your Guru Mahārāja used to call them the Muragī Mission.
Prabhupāda: Another Godbrother used to say Muragī Mission, Chicken Mission. (laughter) He was so much against this Ramakrishna Mission and Vivekananda, so much. He knew all history of Ramakrishna. He became impotent. He was woman-hunter and therefore uneducated. In the village he was simply hunting after this low-class woman. Therefore his brother got him married. When he was married he was impotent. So therefore he planned, "Oh, I see everyone mother. You are my mother." And people said, "Oh, he's so realized that even his wife is his mother." Rascal. Where is that another person in the Vedic culture, Vyāsadeva, or, they are also married, who has called his wife mother?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everyone but the wife.
Prabhupāda: No, no, why one should not call a wife a mother? Is that very great advancement? But this rascal was impotent, he had no other alternative, so he manufactured some idea and people thought, "Oh, he's so devotee of goddess of Kālī that he sees even his wife as mother." This story he told me by Guru Mahārāja personally. He was talking with me privately somewhere, although I was a bad householder. (laughs) He was very kind upon me. And whatever is being done by his blessing, that's all.