Rāmeśvara: And then you don't have to talk. You read minds.
Prabhupāda: If you remain in the subtle stage, that is ghostly life. That is ghost. And you make troublesome.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. Because you can't...
Prabhupāda: ...enjoy the senses, material senses. You have the desire, but you have no instrument.
Hari-śauri: I had this experience myself of being out of the body. Of course, it was under intoxication, but I was floating in the air, and I could see my friends talking and I could see my own body on the bed lying down. And again I came back.
Rāmeśvara: Sometimes in the West they call this "astral travel." That's the word they give.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Astral means subtle.
Rāmeśvara: Now they describe traveling in this subtle state. They say it is exceptionally easy. "Physical objects are no barrier, and movement from one place to another can be rapid, almost instantaneous."
Prabhupāda: Hm. They can fly even.