Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughter) Now, here the question... Here the question is that mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. So it is very easy thing. Why not surrender to Kṛṣṇa and become free from māyā? But their... The answer is there: na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhaḥ.
Dr. Patel: Four types of people.
Prabhupāda: Rascals and mūḍhās and sinful men, they do not do that.
Mr. Sar: And then again, catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ...
Prabhupāda: But those who are pious, sukṛtina, they do.
Dr. Patel: Catur-vidhā bhajante... My name is Caturbhai. (Prabhupāda chuckles)
Mr. Sar: One of them, catur-vidhā. But they... Their mode of worship is fourfold, ārto jijñāsur arthārthī... (break)
Prabhupāda: Ārto, ārto jijñāsi means gṛhasthas.
Dr. Patel: Teṣāṁ jñānī...
Prabhupāda: And jñānī and jijñāsu, sannyāsīs.
Mr. Sar: Jñānī and... I see. Ārto and...
Prabhupāda: Ārto and... Because they, the grhasthas, they feel distress of this material world.
Dr. Patel: That is, they are ārtas.
Prabhupāda: Ārtas. They are in need of money. But a sannyāsī is not in need of money, neither he cares for these worldly miseries.
Mr. Sar: He's jijñāsu.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Jijñāsu. He's jijñāsu. So they are better.
Dr. Patel: Jñānī, jijñāsu and jñānī, both together.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The jijñāsu and jñānī is almost the same thing. Anyway, so, so gṛhasthas are inferior because as soon as their distressed condition is over, they, they are no more interested.
Dr. Patel: They forget so.
Prabhupāda: They are no more interested. But these jñānīs and jijñāsu, because they want to know what is Kṛṣṇa, they continue. That is the difference.