Richard: But then why do you fear this death of the physical body?
Prabhupāda: No, I do not fear.
Richard: Oh, you don't?
Prabhupāda: No.
Richard: Oh, okay.
Rāmeśvara: The ordinary man.
Prabhupāda: Because...
Richard: Well, I don't either, and I'm not in Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, because you do not know that you are risking your life without Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the.... You do not, that I have already said, that an innocent person doesn't know what is going to happen, but things are going to happen. That you do not know.
Rāmeśvara: After death.
Prabhupāda: So you must be aware what is going to happen after death. Then if you become fearless, that is secure. But without knowing, if you are not afraid, that is risk.
Richard: Okay, are you familiar with the writings of Descartes?
Prabhupāda: We don't read anyone's books except Bhagavad-gītā.
Richard: Oh, I thought you said you studied other philosophies.
Prabhupāda: Study, there are so many books we study.
Richard: Right, okay, well anyway, there was a French philosopher in the 1700's named Rene Descartes, and his...
Prabhupāda: I think we have discussed this philosopher.
Richard: You have discussed him? All right, one of the things he said was that.... Oh, I'm sorry, it's Pascal. Anyway, same thing practically. Ah, he said that as far as an afterlife goes, as far as proving it, it's impossible to prove it.
Prabhupāda: Why impossible? He does not know.
Richard: Okay.
Prabhupāda: We can prove immediately.
Richard: Okay, but it's just a wager, it's a moot argument, the proofs are of a spiritual kind rather than a...
Prabhupāda: It requires little brain; otherwise, it can be proved immediately.