Prabhupāda: Body consciousness is mental speculation.
Dr. Patel: That is what I say. You must go beyond that.
Prabhupāda: Ah. This is the gross body and subtle body. So when these jñānīs, they think that they have become liberated, but they are entrapped by the subtle body. Jñāne prayāsam udapāsya...
Dr. Patel: These yogis...
Prabhupāda: Then they are also, the same thing: gross material thing.
Dr. Patel: The yoga means to join yourself. Your self means not body, not even mind, but your soul, to the higher soul of, that means the God. That is real yoga. And that is as good as bhakti. Or you call it yoga, anything. Yoga and bhakti comes to same thing then.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Bhakti is real yoga. Others are farce. Yoginām api sarveṣām (BG 6.47). The bhakti is real yoga. That is real yoga. And this is farce.
Dr. Patel: Mad-gatenāntarātmanā.
Prabhupāda: Ah. That is real yoga.
Dr. Patel: Antarātmanā.
Prabhupāda: Antarātmanā means beyond his mind and intelligence...
Dr. Patel: No, within yourself.
Prabhupāda: Yoginām api sarve... So within yourself, if one thinks, antara mad-gatena, Kṛṣṇa, always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, that is first-class yogi. But the so-called yogis, they want to become Kṛṣṇa. "Now I have become God."
Dr. Patel: But then I don't think they say they are becoming Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Oh yes.
Dr. Patel: Their disciples say. As any disciple...
Prabhupāda: These all rascals! Kick these disciple. Why... Wherefrom the disciple comes? From the rascals.