Prabhupāda: Tell me. What is the aim of life?
Mike Barron: To be happy in myself.
Prabhupāda: That, how dog is happy? Therefore I have said "dog mentality." You do not know what is happiness. You know simply by barking you'll be happy. That's all.
Mike Barron: Well, how do I find out?
Prabhupāda: No, what is happiness? Do you know what is happiness?
Mike Barron: Perhaps not. How do I find out that?
Prabhupāda: Find out.... But then why you are asking about guru? You do not know what is happiness.
Mike Barron: Can you tell me?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Your happiness is that you do not like to die: you die. That is your distress. You do not like to become old man: you become old. So that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. This is unhappiness. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9). That is intelligence, that "I do not want death. Why death comes upon me? Where is my happiness?" This knowledge will lead you to understand what is happiness. But if you remain ignorant like animal, you do not know what is happiness, and if you think, "The dog is having sex. I'll have sex. That is happiness," then where is the difference, dog mentality and your mentality?
Mike Barron: And Kṛṣṇa consciousness can help me attain this?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He knows, "This dog's mentality of eating, sleeping, sex and defense is not my happiness. My real distress is that I do not want to die; I am being forced to die. So how to escape from this position?" That is happiness.
Mike Barron: Thank you.
Guru-kṛpā: Jaya Prabhupāda.
Mike Barron: Thank you very much.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break)