Indian man (4): Swamiji, Christ says that he's the goal.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Indian man (4): Christ says that he's the Almighty. What is your opinion?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He said, "Christ says that he is the Almighty. What is your opinion?"
Prabhupāda: Where he said?
Indian man (4): In Bible said. "I am the God, come."
Prabhupāda: He said?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he never says that.
Trivikrama: "I am the son of God."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He said, "My father who art in heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done." He never says, "My kingdom come, my will be done."
Trivikrama: Say, "I sit at the right hand of God."
German man (1): "The Father and me are one," he said. To give an example, the father in the heaven, and to his disciple he said, "The Father is in me. The Father is in me. I am one with the Father. I am not real, but the Father in me is doing everything. I am doing nothing." Every truth... Somebody touch his feet and they don't touch. "Don't tell me, my Father and me," he said.
Devotee (5): We chant every morning, sākṣād-dharitvena...
Prabhupāda: No bona fide person will say that "I am God." As soon as one says that "I am God," he's a rascal immediately. God is not so cheap. Caitanya Mahāprabhu never said. He said, "I am the servant of the servant of the servant of servant of God." Gopī-bhartuḥ pada-kamalayor dāsa-dāsa-dāsānudāsaḥ (CC Madhya 13.80). Hundred times down. And that is real identification. And as soon as a person says, "I am God," then he's a madman. He's part of God. That is all right. But not the Supreme God.
Indian man (4): Can we find the one in ourself? Can we find the one in the basis of ourself?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Indian man (4): The one in the basis of ourself?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says, "Can we find the one in ourselves?
Prabhupāda: Yes. The Self is there. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati (BG 18.61). That one Lord is there within your heart. Where is the difficulty? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām (BG 18.61). All living entities—not only you, me-cats, dogs, everyone, even ants... Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham. He is within the atom also. So there is no denying, He is everywhere.
- eko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭiṁ
- yac-chaktir asti jagad-aṇḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ
- aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ
- govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
- (Bs. 5.35)
So Īśvara, this, the Supreme, is living with you as Supersoul. So there is no doubt about it. You are also within the body, and He is also within the body. Find out this verse, kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata, kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānam (BG 13.3). You are individual soul, and He is also living as individual soul, but sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata: He is living everywhere; you are living within your body. That is the difference.
Indian man (4): Then one can realize the omnipresence of the one.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "How can we realize the omnipresence?"
Prabhupāda: You have to realize from authorized scripture, not whimsically. Just like this boy asked, "God, Christ said like that," without any authority. Without reading, without understanding, he says like that. So you have to take from authority. Without authorized statement don't say anything. It is foolish. Śabda-pramāṇam. Just like a good lawyer in the court. When he says something, immediately he quotes the law, "Section number such, laws number such," and that is authorized, not that whimsically if he says. That is not the process. You have found out? Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu... Thirteenth Chapter.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah.
- kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi
- sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata
- kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānaṁ
- yat taj jñānaṁ mataṁ mama
- (BG 13.3)
Prabhupāda: And before that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kṣetram ity abhidhīyate... Oh.
Prabhupāda: Idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya (BG 13.2).
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
- idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya
- kṣetram ity abhidhīyate
- etad yo vetti taṁ prāhuḥ
- kṣetra-jña iti tad-vidaḥ
- (BG 13.2)
"Arjuna said, O my dear Kṛṣṇa, I wish to know about prakṛti, puruṣa, and the field and the knower of the field, and of knowledge and the end of knowledge. The Blessed Lord then said, This body, O son of Kuntī, is called the field, and one who knows this body is called the knower of the field."
Prabhupāda: Just like every one of us. I know, you know, that "This is my body. This is my finger. This is my leg." So the body is called kṣetra. We have been allotted a kṣetra. Just like the government distributes the land to a certain person, that "This is your land. You till it and grow your food," thirty bighās or something like that. This body is like that. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati (BG 18.61). He is there within the body, and He is giving us this kṣetra. Bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā (BG 18.61). So I have got this body. You have got that body. The dog has got body. The cat has got body. So He's everywhere. So according to his karma or desire, he gets a body. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām (BG 18.61). And he works. Therefore the body is the kṣetra, the field, and the individual soul is the worker. So he is working and getting the fruitive result, but at the same time, God is also with him. But He is everywhere. I am not everywhere. I am one individual. Do you understand? And that is the difference between God and me. I cannot say what you are now thinking now, or you cannot say what I am thinking, but God knows what you are thinking and what I am thinking, what he is thinking. That is the difference. That is explained. Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi mām. He is also within body, but that is the difference between Him and you. You are limited within your body, and He is unlimited. He is everywhere. So how you can become God? Therefore one who says, "I am God," he's a fool. You cannot say what I am thinking now or what I am suffering. You cannot prove. But He can feel your suffering and feeling, and that is the difference. Here it is clearly said, kṣetra-jñaṁ ca. Ca means also. Also means "I am there." Not one. Two. Kṣetra-jñaṁ ca api māṁ viddhi. So God knows what I want, and according to my desire, He is giving me certain type of body, not directly, but through His energy, material nature. Bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā (BG 18.61). He has got so many agents. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). So this material nature is also one of the agents. And He knows what I desire. He's very friendly, that "This living entity wants this, so give him a body like this." So we get a body. Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13). So we have to change the body according to our desire. If we want to go to the higher planetary system, we can go. God will give us the facility. If you want to go to the lower planetary system, He'll give you. And if you want to go to Him, He'll give you. What is that verse? Yānti deva-vratā devān pitṟn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ... (BG 9.25).
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhūtāni yānti bhūtejyā...
Prabhupāda: Bhūtejyā mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām. If you want to go the devas, you can go. If you want to remain here, you can remain here. If you want to go back to home, back to Godhead, you can go. All facilities are there. But don't lunatically say that "I am God. I am everything." Don't put. Jīva is part and parcel of God, but part and parcel means the same quality but not the same person. This finger is part and parcel of my body. If you cut this finger you will find the same blood. And if you cut here, the same blood. But the finger is not the whole body. The finger is finger; your body is body. The quality is the same. So if you thoroughly study the nature of the living being, you can have at least idea of what is God. Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1). The Vedānta-sūtra says. Whatever desires I have got, wherefrom these desires come? It comes from God because I am part and parcel of God. So the janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1). I am born a person, so God must be a person. That is natural. A person is born from a person. (break) Why this obstinacy? Say me.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is your reply? Prabhupāda wants you to reply to him.
English man: Reply to him.
Prabhupāda: You are searching after that one who has become many.
German man (1): I don't say. I don't say. All prophet is one?
Prabhupāda: You said that you are searching after that one.
German man (1): I thought...?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
German man (1): No.
Prabhupāda: You told me. You did not?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You stated you were searching or looking for the one in many.
German man (1): Ācchā. Yes, I looked the one in many. Yes, I saw it, the one in many.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You saw.
German man (1): If I see, I'll be able to see the one...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
German man (1): ...in many. Not to thought, but to see. I said to see.
Prabhupāda: Here you can see. Why don't you see Kṛṣṇa?
German man (1): Eh?
Prabhupāda: Why don't you see Kṛṣṇa?
German man (1): But I see Him. That's all.
Prabhupāda: Then that is the one. You are looking after that one. So that He is. That is explained. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ (BG 10.8).
German man (1): Sometimes I feel as Arjuna.
Prabhupāda: No, you feel. That is another thing. You can feel so many things. That is not authorized. But if you are searching after that one, here is the one. That is accepted by the all authorities and ācāryas. And He showed His viśva-rūpa, virāḍ-rūpa, that everything is there. Practically Arjuna was shown the virāḍ-rūpa. So why don't you accept Him? What is your objection?
German man (1): I have no objection.
Prabhupāda: Then why don't you accept?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then why don't you accept?
German man (1): I accept. Right when I got into Gītā, I start to read it and I start to follow, I tried to follow.
Prabhupāda: That's nice.
German man (1): I had to do.
Prabhupāda: Then it is all right.