Prabhupāda: So definition of Brahma to supreme what is that supreme? The supreme is the source of everything. So you are not the supreme because you are not the source of everything. Therefore there is somebody which is the source of everything. That is God.
Karāndhara: Sometimes some will say there is no source.
Prabhupāda: Eh? No, why you are creating, why you are working? You are creating the city, laws and so many things you’re creating to make the things systematic, usually.
Karāndhara: But they, that's all relative. All the energy.
Prabhupāda: But therefore the absolute relative is the sample of the absolute.
Karāndhara: But to be absolute is the infinity of relativity.
Prabhupāda: That's all right but you’re not absolute that is the point. You are relative.
Karāndhara: But they say relativity goes to infinity that's what absolute is.
Prabhupāda: No relative is part of the absolute, that we admit but we are also creating so many things. We can create this roads and the cars like that but not a planet or universe that is not possible. You can create, imitate because we are part of the absolute we have got the qualities but you are not absolute.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think it is absolute in the.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Nothing is absolute in the material sense.
(in car)
Prabhupāda: You are also creating with the chemicals already there but you’re not the creator of the chemicals which are already there.
Karāndhara: Therefore they say that nothing is created because everything is already there.
Prabhupāda: Already there but you are taking advantage of it otherwise you don’t create let everything is already there. Don’t try to create. Why you are trying to create? The process is there just like a man having sex with a woman and a child is created. Everything is there you do not know how the child is formed, how the child is there within the womb you do not know but this process has been accepted. The woman and man must unite otherwise there will be no child. So you are not creating but you are, it is called immediate cause. There are two causes of creation, there are five causes out of which the cause which is known as daiva providential that is very important. Hari-nāma, hari-nāma.
(japa). You have created this motor car but it is dependent on petrol that was not created by you. The conclusion is that therefore we are not independent.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Hm.
Prabhupāda: What do you say? Svarūpa Dāmodara?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes we are not independent we are dependent on the supreme power.
Prabhupāda: Something.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Something (indistinct).
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We are parts and parcels of the.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We are all parts and parcels of the supreme.
Prabhupāda: Absolute.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Absolute.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct)….summum bonum category. [japa. God is summum bonum matter and spirit category a combination of matter and spirit. [japa]. (indistinct). According to (indistinct) they have got also seven.
Devotee: Yes, doh ray me.
Prabhupāda: Beginning from 'D'?
Devotee: Doh.
Prabhupāda: And the (indistinct).
Devotee: Ah, yes that's right seven notes... (break)
Prabhupāda: Sounds are already there in the nature.