Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So now you've defined a perfect leader. What is a perfect system? What are the criterion for a perfect system?
Prabhupāda: Perfect system means from which we do not suffer. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No suffering.
Prabhupāda: No suffering.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is the main criterion.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We are always hankering after happiness. So we do not like suffering. So if there is no suffering, that is perfect system.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Can you point out any time in history when there existed such a perfect system?
Prabhupāda: It is always existing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Even now?
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Otherwise why you are sticking to this? This is the proof. You are all young men, you have given up everything. Why you are sticking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Revatinandana: In the West so many young men are joining different groups?
Prabhupāda: They may be rascals.