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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bob: Lord Caitanya, He was not a guru, He was different than guru?</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: He's guru.</p>
 
<p>Bob: Lord Caitanya, He was a different type of guru than you were?</p>
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<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Guru cannot be different types. All gurus are of one type.</p>
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<p>Bob: But He was, was He also an incarnation at the same...?</p>
Bob: Lord Caitanya, He was not a ''guru''; He was different than ''guru''?
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself, but He is representing as guru.</p>
 
<p>Bob: I see.</p>
Prabhupāda: He's ''guru''.
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
 
<p>Bob: And then.</p>
Bob: Lord Caitanya, He was a different type of ''guru'' than you were?
<p>Prabhupāda: Because Kṛṣṇa, as God, He demanded that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66|BG 18.66]]). But people misunderstood Him. Therefore Kṛṣṇa again came as guru and taught people how to surrender to Kṛṣṇa.</p>
 
<p>Śyāmasundara: Doesn't He say in the Bhagavad-gītā, "I am the spiritual master"?</p>
Prabhupāda: No, no. No. ''Guru'' cannot be different types. All ''gurus'' are of one type.
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
 
<p>Śyāmasundara: Doesn't Kṛṣṇa say "I am the spiritual master"? In Bhagavad-gītā it says...</p>
Bob: But He was . . . was He also an incarnation at the same . . .?
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, He's the original spiritual master. Because He has accepted spiritual master of Arjuna. So what is the difficulty? Śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam ([[Vanisource:BG 2.7|BG 2.7]]). "I am your disciple." So unless He's spiritual master, how Arjuna becomes His disciple? He's the original guru. Tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye, in the Bhāgavata. That He gave instruction about Vedas in the heart of Brahmā. So He's guru.</p>
 
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Prabhupāda: Yes, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself, but He is representing as ''guru''.
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Bob: I, I see.
 
Prabhupāda: Yes.
 
Bob: And then . . .
 
Prabhupāda: Because Kṛṣṇa, as God, He demanded that ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). But people misunderstood Him. Therefore Kṛṣṇa again came as ''guru'' and taught people how to surrender to Kṛṣṇa.
 
Śyāmasundara: Doesn't He say in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', "I am the spiritual master"?
 
Prabhupāda: Huh?
 
Śyāmasundara: Doesn't Kṛṣṇa say: "I am the spiritual master"? In ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it says . . .
 
Prabhupāda: Yes, He's the original spiritual master, because He was accepted spiritual master of Arjuna. So what is the difficulty? ''Śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam'' ([[Vanisource:BG 2.7 (1972)|BG 2.7]]). "I am Your disciple." So unless He's spiritual master, how Arjuna becomes His disciple? He's the original ''guru''. ''Tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye'', in the ''Bhāgavata'', that He gave instruction about ''Vedas'' in the heart of Brahmā. So He's ''guru''.

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Conversations and Morning Walks

1972 Conversations and Morning Walks

He is Kṛṣṇa Himself, but He is representing as guru.


Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura:

Bob: Lord Caitanya, He was not a guru; He was different than guru?

Prabhupāda: He's guru.

Bob: Lord Caitanya, He was a different type of guru than you were?

Prabhupāda: No, no. No. Guru cannot be different types. All gurus are of one type.

Bob: But He was . . . was He also an incarnation at the same . . .?

Prabhupāda: Yes, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself, but He is representing as guru.

Bob: I, I see.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Bob: And then . . .

Prabhupāda: Because Kṛṣṇa, as God, He demanded that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). But people misunderstood Him. Therefore Kṛṣṇa again came as guru and taught people how to surrender to Kṛṣṇa.

Śyāmasundara: Doesn't He say in the Bhagavad-gītā, "I am the spiritual master"?

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Śyāmasundara: Doesn't Kṛṣṇa say: "I am the spiritual master"? In Bhagavad-gītā it says . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes, He's the original spiritual master, because He was accepted spiritual master of Arjuna. So what is the difficulty? Śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam (BG 2.7). "I am Your disciple." So unless He's spiritual master, how Arjuna becomes His disciple? He's the original guru. Tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye, in the Bhāgavata, that He gave instruction about Vedas in the heart of Brahmā. So He's guru.