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| <div id="RoomConversationMay11976Fiji_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="91" link="Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji" link_text="Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji"> | | <div id="RoomConversationMay11976Fiji_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="91" link="Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji" link_text="Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji"> |
| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji|Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guru-kṛpā: If bhakti-yoga is the..., one can only understand Kṛṣṇa through bhakti-yoga, why did Kṛṣṇa bother to explain karma-yoga and jñāna-yoga through so many...</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji|Room Conversation -- May 1, 1976, Fiji]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guru-kṛpā: If bhakti-yoga is the..., one can only understand Kṛṣṇa through bhakti-yoga, why did Kṛṣṇa bother to explain karma-yoga and jñāna-yoga through so many...</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Because there are third-class men, fourth-class men. They cannot understand bhakti-yoga immediately. But at last He says, sarva-dharmān parityajya ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66|BG 18.66]]), if you are intelligent. Sarva-guhyatam. Real knowledge is here. Sarva-guhyatamam. But He's proposing at last, "If by understanding all other ways, if he has come to know what is the actual knowledge..." That is the most confidential knowledge. That is not for everyone. How one can give up karma-yoga, jñāna-yoga, dhyāna-yoga? They cannot. But Kṛṣṇa says, "This is the most confidential. If you accept this, then it is to be understood you have knowledge." It is not for everyone. Find out this verse. Sixty-three, Eighteenth Chapter, I think. So take these notes, take these books and preach. You have taken all, sannyāsa. You preach.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Because there are third-class men, fourth-class men. They cannot understand bhakti-yoga immediately. But at last He says, sarva-dharmān parityajya ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]), if you are intelligent. Sarva-guhyatam. Real knowledge is here. Sarva-guhyatamam. But He's proposing at last, "If by understanding all other ways, if he has come to know what is the actual knowledge..." That is the most confidential knowledge. That is not for everyone. How one can give up karma-yoga, jñāna-yoga, dhyāna-yoga? They cannot. But Kṛṣṇa says, "This is the most confidential. If you accept this, then it is to be understood you have knowledge." It is not for everyone. Find out this verse. Sixty-three, Eighteenth Chapter, I think. So take these notes, take these books and preach. You have taken all, sannyāsa. You preach.</p> |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Answers to a Questionnaire from Bhavan's Journal -- June 28, 1976, Vrndavana|Answers to a Questionnaire from Bhavan's Journal -- June 28, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: And what will be the benefit of classifying men according to their qualities?</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Answers to a Questionnaire from Bhavan's Journal -- June 28, 1976, Vrndavana|Answers to a Questionnaire from Bhavan's Journal -- June 28, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: And what will be the benefit of classifying men according to their qualities?</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Benefit will be then the whole thing will go in order. That is already described many times, that there must be brain, there must be arms, there must be belly, there must be legs for the complete composition of the body. If there is no brain, there is no head, then what is the use of these arms and legs and belly? It is all dead. So in the society, human society, if there is not a class of selected, truthful, honest, and so many brahminical qualifications, then society is ruined. Therefore they are perplexed. Everyone is a śūdra. Go to the factory. That's all. Go to the factory and bring money. And he is getting 25 dollars or 50 dollars daily and immediately purchasing wine and flat on Bowery Street. You'll produce such men, useless men, disturbing in the human society. You cannot make classless. If you make classless, naturally they will be all śūdras, fourth-class men. Then there will be society chaos.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Benefit will be then the whole thing will go in order. That is already described many times, that there must be brain, there must be arms, there must be belly, there must be legs for the complete composition of the body. If there is no brain, there is no head, then what is the use of these arms and legs and belly? It is all dead. So in the society, human society, if there is not a class of selected, truthful, honest, and so many brahminical qualifications, then society is ruined. Therefore they are perplexed. Everyone is a śūdra. Go to the factory. That's all. Go to the factory and bring money. And he is getting 25 dollars or 50 dollars daily and immediately purchasing wine and flat on Bowery Street. You'll produce such men, useless men, disturbing in the human society. You cannot make classless. If you make classless, naturally they will be all śūdras, fourth-class men. Then there will be society chaos.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationJune291976NewVrindaban_17" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="173" link="Room Conversation -- June 29, 1976, New Vrindaban" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 29, 1976, New Vrindaban"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 29, 1976, New Vrindaban|Room Conversation -- June 29, 1976, New Vrindaban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So our business is to stop slaughter. Meat-eating we cannot stop. Certain persons, they must eat. They are fourth-class, and then fifth-class men. There are four classifications—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra and caṇḍāla. Caṇḍālas, they will remain, and they are eating. Let them eat meat. That is the system in India still. It is not that in India nobody's eating meat. The cobbler class, they eat; the caṇḍāla class, they eat.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="LifeComesFromLifeSlideshowDiscussionsJuly31976WashingtonDC_19" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="180" link="'Life Comes From Life' Slideshow Discussions -- July 3, 1976, Washington, D.C." link_text="'Life Comes From Life' Slideshow Discussions -- July 3, 1976, Washington, D.C."> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:'Life Comes From Life' Slideshow Discussions -- July 3, 1976, Washington, D.C.|'Life Comes From Life' Slideshow Discussions -- July 3, 1976, Washington, D.C.]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: The question is, now we want to argue that how is it possible, now you are claiming that life is coming from molecules? If you claim like that, then how is it possible that in the same species, let's say in the birds, that these qualities are spreading? Some birds we see behave like a little influenced by the modes of goodness, though it is mixed. Like swan, we are taking that example. But some are like eagle, very passionate, wants to kill small birds as their food, and on the other hand, birds like crows, they like just to be completely ignorant, or they like to survive in a dirty environment. Why? Is this possible just from the concept of molecular evolution? It's completely, it's failing. They have no explanation along those terms. So we thought to bring up these points, it will be very clear that this evolution is completely wrong. So we want to use that...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: There is no question of evolution. It is already there. This is a wrong theory. The monkey is there, the man is there. The soul is going from monkey to man. It is not the evolution. Just like you have got apartment, ten rupees, five rupees, twenty rupees, thirty rupees, like that. Now, as you pay, "Come on, here." There is no question of evolution. It is already there. Jantur dehopapattaye. These dehas, these bodies, are already there. So immediately it develops a particular type of desire, "Yes, come here, sit down." First class, second class, third class, fourth class is already there. As you pay, "Yes, come here." It is not evolving; it is already there. He is transferred from one apartment to another. This has to be convinced. We don't find that monkey's body became a human body. That is not in the experience, anyone. The monkey is there, the human being is there. But the soul is going from monkey's body to human's body, or monkey's body to another body. That is by superior administration. Their theory is the body is evolving and some body is missing. Nothing is missing. Every body is there. The soul is being transferred from one body to another.</p> |
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| | <div id="RoomConversationJuly271976London_18" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="231" link="Room Conversation -- July 27, 1976, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 27, 1976, London"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 27, 1976, London|Room Conversation -- July 27, 1976, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: He is so rich(?) man. He cannot get nice food even, the primary necessity. Getting jaundice.</p> |
| | <p>Jayatīrtha: The main reason why he doesn't.... I think he got jaundice because, he admitted, is that he had Ravi Shankar's brother cooking for him.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p> |
| | <p>Jayatīrtha: He had Kumar Shankar, the brother of Ravi Shankar, cooking for him. So this man is a demon; therefore he is becoming sick.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, they are all drunkards, all third-class men, fourth-class men, low-class men. In India, this naṭas, they are third class, fourth class. Naṭas means the artist class, singer, dancers. They are meant for the fourth-class, fifth-class men. It was never taken by the.... They are called, and they will expertly sing, dance, in some festival. The brāhmaṇas, kṣatriyas, vaiśyas, they were not doing. Still in India there is a class, very expert in dancing, singing, low class. Their hereditary business is like that.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationJuly311976NewMayapurFrenchfarm_20" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="235" link="Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)|Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (1): You once told me that a brāhmaṇa must know how to do everything perfectly so that he can teach others.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That may be, you may be a teacher, but you'll remain only a worker. That is another thing. Just like Dronācārya, he taught, he remained a teacher. So we can become a teacher of a particular subject matter, but that does not mean you should be worker. Still, there are many professors, they are teacher, they are not worker. But if the teachers are available, why you should become a teacher? Let them teach. We have to save our time for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. After all, this, in the modern world they have invented so many varieties of occupations unnecessarily, to develop economic condition. Is it not? But our philosophy is that you cannot develop your economic condition than you are destined to suffer or enjoy. So one should not waste his time for so-called development of economic condition. He should utilize his time for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which was not possible in any other form of life. When we had cat's and dog's life, tree's life, we could not do that, development of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now we have got human form of life, we should fully utilize it for developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Why should we waste our time for economic development? Economic development is not possible. Then every work, every city, they are trying to develop this economic condition, but they're struggling. Why they word it of "struggle for existence" is there? It is not possible. Why there are varieties of social position? Everyone could come on the same standard. That is not possible. Anywhere you go, the three classes of men, upper class, middle class and lower class, is there. Is there any country where there is not these three classes, only the upper class? Is there any country? Then what is the use? Anywhere you'll go, you'll find this upper class, middle class and lower class. In the beginning, I thought that America, everyone is richer class. So when I came I saw the three classes are already there. The lower class, although the country has good facilities not to become lower class, still, voluntarily they are hippies, lower class. They are lying on the street. Although he has got very good opportunity to become first class, but he is lying on the street. Why? What is answer? British Empire, London, one is lying on the bench. New York, lying on the bench. There is no sufficient clothing? Why? Actually, he can live very comfortably, but why he's living in that condition? What is answer?</p> |
| | <p>Harikeśa: It's his nature.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, he has to live in that way. That is his destiny. You cannot change it by artificial ways. Even if he has got all the facilities, he will have to live like that. That is nature. Kāraṇaṁ guṇa saṅgo 'sya sad-asad janma yoniṣu ([[Vanisource:BG 13.22 (1972)|BG 13.22]]). This is... So therefore there is no use of so-called improvement. And you cannot do it. This is a fact. Tasyaiva hetoḥ prayeteta kovido. Find out this verse. Na labhyate yad bhramatām upary. Your standard of happiness and distress must be there because you are destined by the laws of nature. You have to suffer although you are born in America. In New York you can get very comfortable life there; still, you have lie down on the bench, lie down. Although you are born of a rich man's family, you have to become hippies, lie down here. Who can check this? What is that law. Do they know it? But there is a law. There will be a first class, second class, third class, fourth class. You cannot check it. Huh? New York City? So cared for? Nasty road, streets. And always, every moment-dung dung dung dung dung dung dung dung, gu gu gu gu gu gu gu-fire. Saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka **. Fire is blazing. Despite all arrangement, fire is blazing. How can you stop it? Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura said saṁsāra-biṣānale, dibaniśi hiya jvale. The blazing fire of poison is always going on. Taribāre nā kāinu upāya. And one has to make ways how to get out of this fire. That is intelligence. Read that.</p> |
| | <p>Harikeśa:</p> |
| | :tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido |
| | :na labhyate yad bhramatām upary adhaḥ |
| | :tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukhaṁ |
| | :kālena sarvatra gabhīra-raṁhasā |
| | :([[Vanisource:SB 1.5.18|SB 1.5.18]]) |
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| | <div id="RoomConversationSeptember171976Vrndavana_21" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="310" link="Room Conversation -- September 17, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- September 17, 1976, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 17, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- September 17, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...one horse within the mouth—that is God. One hill. One Pūtanā, sucking the breast, her life goes. That is God. Why shall I take some cheap God? We are not so foolish. Here is the... So many great saintly persons hearing about God. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 1.2.17|SB 1.2.17]]). They are fools, hearing about Kṛṣṇa? Such great, great personalities? And Śukadeva Gosvāmī is speaking. Are they fools? All of them fools? One, two may be fool. They were wholesale fool? All the great personalities, they're all fools? Asita, Devala, Vyāsa, Nārada—all big personalities. Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Caitanya Mahāprabhu—they're all fools? I may be fool. They are not fools. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 17.186|CC Madhya 17.186]]). Why shall I accept a rascal God? Varīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 2.1.1|SB 2.1.1]]). "Oh, you want to hear about Kṛṣṇa?" Varīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ. Śukadeva was praising: "Oh, glorious, you have taken... Yes." Here is God. Breathing, and innumerable universes are coming. Here is God. Sleeping and breathing is not unnatural. He is also. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaḥ-like us. But like not us. He can breathe and... That is the difference. Breathing is common. I breathe, He breathes. That's all right. But His breathing, my breathing is not the same breathing. He eats, I eat. That's all right. But when He eats, Mother Yaśodā sees all the universes are within Him. They cannot understand this. That we are equal, that's all right, but there is difference. So far, I am a living being, He's also a living being, but He's supreme living being. How? Because I breathe, some dust comes and goes out, and when He breathes some universes come out. This is the difference. So because He is breathing and I am breathing, therefore equal. No. Paśyaty acakṣuḥ. He sees, but not like us. Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata. He's seeing every particular thing, anywhere. Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu. I can see within my limit, or I can feel pains and pleasure within my... But He knows everything, everywhere. Sarva-kṣetreṣu. And because I cannot become like Him, therefore Māyāvādīs say kalpana, "This is imagination." He wants to make God like himself, and he wants to become like God. Therefore all description about God he thinks imagination, kalpana. Kalpana. Dr. Frog. Huh? More than this water, the...? How it is possible? Atlantic Ocean, very very big. What is that big? Maybe four feet, five, yes. Otherwise kalpana. It it is not within his "feet" estimation, then he's kalpana, imagination. This is their knowledge. (indistinct) I can think of three feet, four feet, five feet, ten feet, hundred feet-like that. And when I'm informed, "No, no, it is unlimited feet." Ah, this is kalpana. This is going on. So what other news? I have to send one letter to the governor. (break) Sūtyām abhijāta-kovidāḥ. Yathā hi sūtyām abhijāta-kovidāḥ samādiśan vipra mahad-guṇas tathā. Where this class of literature is now. Yathā sūtyām, in the maternity home or maternity room, Sūtyām. Abhijāta-kovidāḥ. The astrologers who can estimate the newly born child's destiny. Whatever they predicted, according to them, yathā hi sūtyām abhijāta-kovidāḥ samādiśan. They said that "This child will be like this"—exactly he became. Parīkṣid dvija-varya-śikṣayā, and being trained up by first-class brāhmaṇas, and the child came perfectly the king. Where is that king?</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: There're no kings.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Where is that President? They're all drunkards, woman-hunters, meat-eaters. Exactly according to prediction, he became a young man and he was entrusted the kingdom, "Now you rule." (chants verse)</p> |
| | :tataḥ parīkṣid dvija-varya-śikṣayā |
| | :mahīṁ mahā-bhāgavataḥ śaśāsa ha |
| | :yathā hi sūtyām abhijāta-kovidāḥ |
| | :samādiśan vipra mahad-guṇas tathā |
| | :Each verse is a song. I wanted our students should do that. |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: To learn how to sing them nicely. To learn how to sing them?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. I can give them the tune. (chants first line of another verse) (break) ...ghnantaṁ go-mithunaṁ padā. This is Kali-yuga's king. Nṛpa-liṅga. Dressed like king. Nṛpa-liṅga-dharam, but śūdra. Nṛpa-liṅga-dharaṁ śūdraṁ ghnantaṁ go-mithunaṁ padā. Very expert in cow-killing.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: That's a very accurate prediction.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Third-class, fourth-class men, dressed like President and king. Business: plunder money from the citizens and kill cow. 1965, 17 September, I landed at Boston.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: You've done a lot of things since then.</p> |
| | <p>Devotee: Changed the world.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Much water has gone down.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithDrTheodoreKneupperNovember61976Vrndavana_22" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="329" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri:</p> |
| | :annād bhavanti bhūtāni |
| | :parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ |
| | :yajñād bhavati parjanyo |
| | :yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ |
| | :([[Vanisource:BG 3.14 (1972)|BG 3.14]]) |
| | <p>"All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajña, sacrifice, and yajña is born of prescribed duties."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That's it. There is no prescribed duties. Everyone is a butcher. Formerly there was distinction, "Here is a butcher; here is a religious man." At the present moment everyone is a butcher. Who is religious man? There was division, at least one class, first-class man, second-class man, third-class man. Then, if there is ideal first-class man, even the fourth-class, third man, he'll take the idea, "Oh, here is first-class." But there is no first-class man. All fourth-class men. So who will give idea? And they want to remain fourth-class. If you say that "You become first-class," they will laugh. "What is the use of becoming first-class?" First-class means, find out, śamo damas titikṣā, then, brahma-karma svabhāva-jam.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithDrTheodoreKneupperNovember61976Vrndavana_23" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="329" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri:</p> |
| | :śamo damas tapaḥ śaucaṁ |
| | :kṣāntir ārjavam eva ca |
| | :jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ |
| | :brahma-karma svabhāva-jam |
| | :([[Vanisource:BG 18.42 (1972)|BG 18.42]]) |
| | <p>"Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: And if I teach that "I'll teach you how to become truthful," they will laugh. People will say, "Can anyone exist nowadays, simply becoming truthful?" Then damaḥ, self-controlled. If I say, "Come here. I shall teach you how to control your senses," he will laugh, that "What is this nonsense? We shall enjoy life and shall control senses?" This is the description of the first-class man, śamo damas titikṣā ārjava, saralatā, simplicity. No one is prepared to become first-class man. They will laugh. These are all primitive ideas.</p> |
| | <p>Dr. Kneupper: You think there is nobody like that?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Not nobody, there are. But people generally will not like, that "These are primitive ideas, to become truthful, simple, and controlling the mind, controlling... These are all imaginary things. How one can live in the struggle for existence by becoming truthful?" They will say like that. Therefore everyone is fourth-class. And the second-class man, kṣatriya?</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri:</p> |
| | :śauryaṁ tejo dhṛtir dākṣyaṁ |
| | :yuddhe cāpy apalāyanam |
| | :dānam īśvara-bhāvaś ca |
| | :kṣātraṁ karma svabhāva-jam |
| | :([[Vanisource:BG 18.43 (1972)|BG 18.43]]) |
| | <p>"Heroism, power, determination, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity, and leadership are the qualities of work for the kṣatriyas."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: This is kṣatriya. Now, who is kṣatriya? A fourth-class man, he never seen battlefield and by vote he becomes president. And here kṣatriya means yuddhe cāpy apalāyanam. If there is fight he must come forward first of all. He is in his palace, and he's engaging common men, "Go and fight." When there was Battle of Kurukṣetra Arjuna and Duryodhana, they came first. Because the battle was decided as soon as the leader is dead. No more fight. So they used to come first. This is kṣatriya. Where is that kṣatriya? And they are becoming politicians simply by votes, all third-class, fourth-class men. What he'll do? Everyone is trying to keep his position by hook and crook. How he'll think of the people? How they will be happy? He is thinking of his own happiness. And these are politicians. There is no kṣatriya. There is no brāhmaṇa. And there is no vaiśya. What is the vaiśya?</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]).</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithDrTheodoreKneupperNovember61976Vrndavana_24" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="329" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]).</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Hm. A vaiśya means he should provide food. So food means agriculture and giving protection to the cows. If you have got sufficient food grains and milk, the whole food question is solved. And these rascals, they are not giving protection to the cows, but they are killing cows. So there is no third-class men even. All fourth-class. So how you can be happy under the control of fourth-class men? There is no first-class men, no second-class men, even no third-class. That means all fourth-class, fifth-class. That's all. This is the human society, combination of fourth, fifth, tenth-class men. Tenth-class. The fourth-class... There are fourth-class men and more than that, fifth-class men, uncivilized. Aborigines, they are fifth class. Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 2.4.18|SB 2.4.18]]). There are so many. In the human civilized... Civilization means there must be first-class men, second-class men, third-class men, fourth-class men. Then rest all fifth-class, up to tenth-class. But at the present moment there is some fourth-class men and all fifth-class, sixth-class, up to tenth-class. So how we can be happy? There is no first-class men, there is no second-class men, not even third-class men. Who is caring for agriculture? They are preparing Goodyear tire. Now eat tires. You rascal, eat tires. How long you'll eat tires? If there is no customer for tire, that means... So that is coming. And I went to Detroit about six months ago. There're factories. They have manufactured the wheels, huge stock. That means they are not selling. And the Goodyear Tire, they advertising, "So many millions tires we are manufacturing." You have been in Detroit? Yes. They're proud that "We have manufactured so many tires, so many wheels." The time will come when there will be no purchaser for tires and wheels, and they'll starve. That is coming. What they will do? If they become hungry there is no food grain. For some time they will eat, killing the cows, and then there will be no food, and what these tire and wheels will do? But there is no first-class brain that "We are wasting time by manufacturing tires and wheels. Without wheels we could live, but how we shall live without food grain?" There is no brain, no first-class men, no second-class men, no third-class men.</p> |
| | <p>Dr. Kneupper: There are farmers who produce...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Well, in your country there is some adjustment because it is very big country and you are all intelligent people. In other countries they... But even though you have got resources, if you not properly utilize it, then the bad time is coming. You should expect. If your energy is all engaged in manufacturing tires and wheels, then who will go to the... Actually I have seen in your country. Now the farmers' son, they do not like to remain in the farm. They go in the city. I have seen it. The farmers' son, they do not like to take up the profession of his father. So gradually farming will be reduced, and the city residents, they are satisfied if they can eat meat. And the farmer means keeping the, raising the cattle and killing them, send to the city, and they will think that "We are eating. What is the use of going to..." But these rascals have no brain that "If there is no food grain or grass, how these cattle will be...?" Actually it is happening. They are eating swiftly. "The cattle will die. Before they die, let us kill and eat." Actually it is happening. In Italy they killed because the problem is twenty thousand cows. This is going on. They do not care that killing is sinful because they don't care for God. This is going on. And sinful, sinful, sinful, everyone will be punished. The nature's law will act. Tag wande gao(?) (Bengali) There is a Bengali proverb, tag wande gao(?), that "One man wanted to take statistics, 'How many thieves are there in this village?' So when he began to take statistics, he saw everyone is thief. Then he said that 'What is the use of making statistics? This is village of thieves, that's all.' " So it is... At the present moment this is the position. If you make a statistics who is sinful and who is not sinful, you will find all sinful. And because they are sinful, they decry the existence of God. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante... Find out this, seventh... Because they are all sinful, they deny the existence of God. This is the position. Read it.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri:</p> |
| | :na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ |
| | :prapadyante narādhamāḥ |
| | :māyayāpahṛta-jñānā |
| | :āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ |
| | :([[Vanisource:BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]]) |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithDrTheodoreKneupperNovember61976Vrndavana_25" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="329" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation with Dr. Theodore Kneupper -- November 6, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Dr. Kneupper: Is that a teaching of the Bhagavad-gītā, that one should not eat meat?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Not... Meat-eating is third-class man's eating. It is not denied. Amedhya. But to give us our life, don't kill cows, because it gives you milk, very substantial food. If you want to eat meat, you can eat the hogs and dogs. But don't kill the cows. Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]). This is special. It is not forbidding meat-eating, but don't eat cows' flesh. That is loss. It is a great loss to the human society. If they do not have sufficient milk production, then their brain will be dull. They will not be able to understand subtle things. Therefore it is better to avoid it. But if you cannot avoid, you can eat some inferior, useless animals. But don't touch the cows. This is Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says, go-rakṣya. He never says, "Pig rakṣya." You can eat pig. You can eat the goats, the lambs. There are so many small useless animals. They are eating dogs also. The Chinese people, they eat dogs. So you can eat dogs, hogs, so many other animals. But don't touch the cows. This is God's instruction. And they are advertising that "These Hindus, they are so fool, they are worshiping an animal, a cow." They do not know what is the economic value of this cow. In the beginning of your life you want milk immediately in the morning. And you are killing the mother? You are civilized? Do you think? You take milk up to the point of death. In South Africa, before killing the cows, they drag out milk and then send it. Milk is important, but because they are uncivilized, they do this. You take milk. Instead of killing, you prepare so many nice things from milk which is good for brain, good for intelligence. But they do not know because uncivilized. Foolish fourth-class men. So we are trying to bring them to become first-class men, and they are accusing of brainwash. "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." We are teaching that "These boys, they are becoming first-class." Anyone will worship them. How nice they look, how behavior, how their character. We are creating this, and they are accusing, "Oh, they are kidnapping our children." Why you are going? Eh? Why you are going?</p> |
| | <p>Indian man (2): (Hindi)</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Ācchā? So this is our position. Now you are philosophers. You try to understand the whole philosophy and combine together. People have become all fourth-class, tenth-class, uncivilized men. They should be given the idea of God consciousness. I don't say only in Western country. Everywhere this is the problem, all fourth-class men. So there is possibility to bring the fourth-class men to the first-class. That is educational. It can be done. There is no difficulty. So this is the education, how to make fourth-class men or fifth-class men to come to the first-class standard. What is that? Which verse I wanted?</p> |
| | <p>Jagadīśa:</p> |
| | :idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā |
| | :sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ |
| | :avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito |
| | :yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam |
| | :([[Vanisource:SB 1.5.22|SB 1.5.22]]) |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationJanuary81977Bombay_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="16" link="Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay|Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: In villages no sannyāsī starves. As soon as there is a sannyāsī in the village, so many villagers, "Baba, aiye, prasāda paiye. (Hindi)" Daily. Still in Punjab, any sannyāsī goes, he gets invitation. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was in tīrtha... That is the system.</p> |
| | <p>Girirāja: He couldn't fulfill all the invitations.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> |
| | <p>Girirāja: There were too many invitations.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) Dāśyu-dharma. Their business will be how to plunder. Because at the present moment the so-called democracy means, to tell the truth, all cunning, third-class, fourth-class men, they are doing. They have no sympathy for the general public. Their only aim is, so long he's in the office, gather as much money as possible. Am I right or not?</p> |
| | <p>Mr. Asnani: Yes, sir.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That means plunder. So if you remain with no money, who will plunder? Because they are becoming plunderer, you remain without any bhūtīs.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationJanuary211977Bhuvanesvara_1" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="38" link="Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: So, say like one point now that's coming up more and more is that these married couples, the women want a divorce or get another husband.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: But we should not implicate.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: So we cannot encourage divorce.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No. We do not meddle matters in that way very much. That is a sideline.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: And one thing about government that we see, at least in America, is that each time there is an election the candidates may make so many pledges, "I think I'll go this way."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, election is going on under some rules and regulations, so you can make election under Kṛṣṇa conscious government rules and regulations. That can be done. Legislative assembly, the senators, they must be all first-class brāhmaṇas. Otherwise he cannot be elected. This is should be introduced. Unless one is following the brahminical principles, he cannot be elected. He must give up these four principles of sinful life. He should not accept any salary. Very much learned scholar in Vedic literature. Then he will be elected.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: That will happen one day.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That will guide the whole nation. The rascals, anyway, the naked and prostitute-hunter, what they can do? These third-class, fourth-class, tenth-class men are being elected. There is no happiness. There is no solution of problems. All tenth-class men. I directly challenged one gentleman that "You are all tenth-class men." Pāpa... Pāpa...</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: That man in Perth.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: "There is no first-class man now governing the situation. All fourth class, fifth class, tenth class. There is no first-class man." I challenged him.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: When he went out the door he said, "Oh, well, I suppose I'd better go back to my fourth-class life."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. You are already.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationJanuary211977Bhuvanesvara_2" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="38" link="Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Rāmeśvara: In Vedic culture, kings like Parīkṣit Mahārāja were trained when they were very young.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: So it seems...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: They were trained by the first-class brāhmaṇas, saintly persons. They abided by their order. There was committee, advisory committee. Even at the time of his death, he's asking advice from the saintly..., "What is my duty?" That is king. He's not doing anything whimsically. And the first-class man should be first-class. Then second-class man, executive, kṣatriyas, they will force: "You must do it!" And then the third class, they should produce and carry out the order of the second class, king. And fourth class, they cannot do anything. Let them serve everyone, that's all, śūdras. They have no intelligence. But everyone is important, cooperatively. This is society. You require also legs; you require also heads. Simply heads will not help you. Head will give instruction, "Leg, please walk in this way." That's all, legs will move. He carries me. "Hands, give me protection." Immediately, "Yes!" A bad somebody(?) "Come on." Yes. Coming. "Belly, you produce food, sufficient, so that the legs, hands and brain, everyone will be provided with sufficient..." This way. This is society. All third-class, fourth-class men, simply going to the factory, and they are making laws. This is... What is called? Chaos. Chaotic society, no brain.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="EveningConversationJanuary251977Puri_3" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="54" link="Evening Conversation -- January 25, 1977, Puri" link_text="Evening Conversation -- January 25, 1977, Puri"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Evening Conversation -- January 25, 1977, Puri|Evening Conversation -- January 25, 1977, Puri]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Satsvarūpa: (reading) "The real qualification is to become a devotee of the Lord, and gradually all the good qualities worthy of possession developed. Mahārāja Parīkṣit was a mahā-bhāgavata, or a first-class devotee, who was not only well versed in the science of devotion but also able to convert others to become devotees by his transcendental instructions. Mahārāja Parīkṣit was, therefore, a devotee of the first order, and thus he used to consult great sages and learned brāhmaṇas who could advise him by the śāstras how to execute the state administration."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: So who is going to do that? All these... All rogues and thieves, drunkards and fourth-class character, meat-eaters, they are the government. How you can expect good government for the benefit of the people? This is Kali-yuga. Unfortunately we have on the heads of government all men of the low-grade character. You... Your President?</p> |
| | <p>Satsvarūpa: New President?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, that Kennedy.</p> |
| | <p>Satsvarūpa: Kennedy.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: He was always associating with naked woman.</p> |
| | <p>Satsvarūpa: Yes, it's been discovered.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Just see. And he is the President.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithSvarupaDamodaraFebruary281977Mayapura_6" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="112" link="Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura" link_text="Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura|Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...the varṇāśrama established, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra-division, scientific division of the society. Ideal state. Just like the legislative assembly. They should be composed of men with complete brahminical culture. And the ministers, president, they should be kṣatriya, and the productive, vaiśyas, and balance śūdra, worker. Unless an ideal class of men is on the top of the state to give advice—just like Britishers, they assemble Parliament—there cannot be any improvement to the human society. All nonsense and rascals, simply by votes go to be member of the Parliament. They assemble. What they know? What they'll do? The whole world is mismanaged because there is no brahminical culture. Namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca, jagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya govindā... I am proposing this because Kṛṣṇa consciousness means namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca. That must be... The state must be in favor of brahminical culture and cow protection. Then everything will be all right. So Manipur is small state. If they agree, the leaders of the... It is not politics. It is betterment of the situation. And without brahminical culture, all these third-class, fourth-class, loafer class, simply by votes hooks and crooks and becomes president, Nixon and so on. Where is the betterment? It will never be.</p> |
| | <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All bluffing.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: All. So Manipur is a small state. If it is possible... Hm?</p> |
| | <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: So I should ask some of them to...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Hm. If some of the leaders may come and see me. Just like the governor of Chandigarh. He's nice man. He came to see me in his governmental position with his aide-de-camp, car and men. So I think Manipuri people... And it is a Vaiṣṇava state. Why not make it Kṛṣṇa conscious? They are already Kṛṣṇa conscious. Make it in a systematic way.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationApril221977Bombay_7" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="149" link="Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay|Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was amazed to see how much you translated last night. You translated more last night than in months, almost two hundred digits. I think it was 190. I think eating these pakorās at night is giving you strength.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, not that. Something must be eaten. I was feeling weakness in the evening. But what can I eat? I have no taste for fruits. Milk also, not very much taste I have got. Naturally I won't eat now(?).</p> |
| | <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You have a taste for nim?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That is compulsory. Whatever little benefit is there in the leaf of nim... Still, I have got taste for nim begun(?). You like that? I think I shall take little, little milk.</p> |
| | <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Milk.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Hm. That will give strength. Milk produce strength. And it is suitable for everyone: children, diseased, invalid, old men. It is such a nice food. Everyone in any condition can get some benefit.</p> |
| | <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And we're getting fairly good milk now.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: So good milk, you give little, not at a time much. Half a cup. So I said these political rascals... Just see. Trouble. They don't want democracy. "And we'll by force remain." Where is the democracy? Indira Gandhi was to give like that. Where is democracy? Vote rejected him that his (her) election was invalid. Still, he (she) would call, "Emergency." People of Kali-yuga, unfortunate, they are controlled by these fourth-class, tenth-class men. All unhappy. Nobody is in peace. That is also punishment because they are godless. Nobody will come to hear us, follow us, and they'll be punished by these politicians. They'll corrupt.</p> |
| | <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, we were reading today how the wife of Rāvaṇa, when she saw her husband, she was addressing him as "The king of the asuras, how you have given everyone trouble. And now surely your body will be eaten by vultures and you'll go to hell." So Nava-yogendra Mahārāja was commenting that now..., at that time there was only one Rāvaṇa; now the whole world is filled with Rāvaṇas, and they're all going to go to suffer the same fate. Of course, we may be able to give them the opportunity of this movement, reading your books. That may be their only chance.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="SrilaPrabhupadaVigilMay28291977Vrndavana_9" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="182" link="Srila Prabhupada Vigil -- May 28-29, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Srila Prabhupada Vigil -- May 28-29, 1977, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Srila Prabhupada Vigil -- May 28-29, 1977, Vrndavana|Srila Prabhupada Vigil -- May 28-29, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Yes? Next person? (break) (Bengali) By passing wind if there is somebody benefit, they'll not pass. Such a low-grade man. Therefore they are ruined, those men. There is not a single upright. You cannot expect that they will willfully, willingly...</p> |
| | <p>Jayapatākā: No, we'll get that by hook or by crook.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is only... Sathe sārthaṁ samācaret.(?) They are first-class cheater. We shall cheat them. (laughter) Don't worry. This is only... They have ruined the institution, all third-class, fourth-class men.</p> |
| | <p>Jayapatākā: He knew that it was right. He couldn't deny it. But he has got no power to... No willpower.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No power? No, he has power. He'll not do. He has power.</p> |
| | <p>Jayapatākā: Yeah, that's what I mean. He has got no personal character to do it.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No. He has power.</p> |
| | <p>Jayapatākā: He wrote it, "No one can say otherwise."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No... That is only way. Just take it. Let it happen only. Then we shall see. But he'll not do that because they are very, very cripple-minded, mean-minded, and by hook and crook they have... And what they have done? For the last fifty years they are working in Caitanya Maṭha. There is not even a nātha-mandira.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="ConversationRascalEditorsandMorningTalkJune221977Vrndavana_10" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="193" link="Conversation, 'Rascal Editors,' and Morning Talk -- June 22, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Conversation, 'Rascal Editors,' and Morning Talk -- June 22, 1977, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation, 'Rascal Editors,' and Morning Talk -- June 22, 1977, Vrndavana|Conversation, 'Rascal Editors,' and Morning Talk -- June 22, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: Even the government is behind this research. NASA and federal funding government, they spend billions of dollars on this research.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Just see. Then what is the government? Another combination of rascals, that's all. They have no knowledge.</p> |
| | <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Some of them are also beginning to feel that...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that must...</p> |
| | <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...there is something wrong...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That must be.</p> |
| | <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...with the whole approach.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That must be there.</p> |
| | <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Like there is a physicist in Princeton. His name is Dyson, Freeman Dyson(?).</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That is inquisitive, jijñāsu. That is there, a class of men, jijñāsu. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtinaḥ. They are pious. "Actually what is the truth?" Jijñāsu. And jñānī. Two third class, fourth class, and two, first class, second class. The first class, second class, is jñānī jijñāsu, and third class, fourth class, ārto arthārthī. They approach God. The third class, fourth class, those who are in need of money or in distress and seeking the favor of Kṛṣṇa, they are third class, fourth class. And the jijñāsu and jñānī, they are first class, second class. Inquisitive, they want to know the truth. That is first class. Jijñāsu—"What is that first class?" He is second class. And ārto arthārthī, he is in need. If he gets some money, then he forgets God. That's all. His disease is cured. Then finished business. "O God, give us our bread." As soon as I get bread, then finished church.</p> |
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| | <div id="ConversationHowtoSecureBrahmacarisJune241977Vrndavana_11" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="195" link="Conversation: 'How to Secure Brahmacaris' -- June 24, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Conversation: 'How to Secure Brahmacaris' -- June 24, 1977, Vrndavana"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation: 'How to Secure Brahmacaris' -- June 24, 1977, Vrndavana|Conversation: 'How to Secure Brahmacaris' -- June 24, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So people were inclined to send their children to gurukula. Now they are inclined to send their children to cinema, this, that... A difficult task, to institute. Loafer class, they should be trained up as śūdras, in carpentry, moving(?)... It doesn't, do not require academic education. Simply make a skill. They'll learn.</p> |
| | <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're not after the loafer class.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, no. They are not loafer. They are also useful. But they are... Bringing them to the education, university, they are becoming loafer, ironclad. As soon as the low-class men are given education, he thinks, "Now I have become educated, baḍa bāpu. Why shall I work as a carpenter? I must have credits here." And they're bribing in government office, and sixty percent of the clerks-useless. They do not know how to make file, cumberous. Because everyone is going in New Delhi. And all fourth-class men are admitted. I have seen. If you have to find out an old file, you have to wait six months. Because these people are neither for this purpose nor that purpose.</p> |
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