Prabhupāda: It is said, Garīb manuṣ, foding khay, ghoray cepe bayye yay. ("Poor villagers eat grasshoppers, but ride on horses and wander".) A villager, very poor man, he says: "I am very poor man. I live on eating the grasshoppers."
Madhudviṣa: Grasshoppers.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "I have no money. But when I go to pass stool, I ride on a horse." They cannot pay parking fare, but they still they keep a carriage. (laughs) Garīb manuṣ, foding khay, ghoray cepe bayye yay. ("Poor villagers eat grasshoppers, but ride on horses and wander".) Because the villagers go to the field for passing stool, so this garīb man, this poor man, goes on a horse. (sound of walking through leaves) Leaves can be also utilized as fire, but they do not know that. In India they collect, poor man, and use as fuel, they cook food. All this dry twigs and this, that can be used as fuel, at the same time this ground will be cleansed.
Madhudviṣa: In India there is no problem with litter. There is no litter problem. No problem about paper and things thrown around, because everything that is thrown in the street, it is immediately taken up by some form of beggar or some form of animal.
Prabhupāda: Municipal sweeper also. That cleans. (break)
(in car) Similarly we can go to the place where there is simply pleasing atmosphere. Simply we have to become purified. That is required. But they don't want to be purified. They want to become more entangled in sinful life: illicit sex, meat-eating. That they do not know, that "I am entangling myself. Instead of being purified, I am becoming more and more entangled." This is ignorance. (break) . . . criticize us, shaven-headed. They don't criticize long hairs, but shaven-headed. Just see. If you don't criticize the long hair, why should criticize the shaven-headed? But they criticize us. So regularly they are going out?
Madhudviṣa: Saṅkīrtana?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Madhudviṣa: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. That is wanted. Live here very nicely and go back to home, back to Godhead. Why should you die like cats and dogs? Die like a human being and be freed from all these material anxieties. But their determination is that they must live in this hellish condition. They do not believe in the next life. If they believe in the next life, then it becomes horrible. They want to avoid this question. "No, no, there is no life. Enjoy to the best capacity now." Enjoy . . . we do not say that don't enjoy, but enjoy so that you may not be implicated. There is no harm having big house, comfortable life, but keep Kṛṣṇa, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. What is the wrong there? Hmm? Madhudviṣa Mahārāja, if they chant Hare Kṛṣṇa in these big, big skyscraper building, what is their loss?
Madhudviṣa: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: Huh? There is no loss, but still they will not do it. We don't say that don't live in the . . . we are living in nice building; you also live in nice building. But see, do, see what we are doing there. Everyone can do it. Everyone can . . . that is Vedic culture. And everywhere Viṣṇu, Nārāyaṇa-śilā is worshiped. At least the higher caste, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya—not the śūdras. Don't eat meat, don't have intoxication, no illicit sex, have Kṛṣṇa's picture, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, make nice preparation. Where is the difficulty? Take this civilization.
Devotee: Many karmīs think, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that you are born and then you die, and that is the finish.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee: Many karmīs think that you are born and then you die and then finish.
Prabhupāda: No. That is not the fact. You are born a child, then you get a youthful body. Where you are finished? Does it mean that when the childish body is finished, the soul is also finished? Why he remembers, "Oh, I was a child like this." This is simple argument. Where you are finished?
Madhudviṣa: You can see the progression. When you are born you are small . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Madhudviṣa: . . . when you die, you are big.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Madhudviṣa: So that is progression. So how can they say that progression will stop?
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is another foolishness to say like that, that with the body everything is finished. Where it is finished? (break) . . . supposed to be educated, advanced in civilization, and this simple truth they cannot understand. Mūḍha. Where is finishing? Why you are trying to live for many years? Why don't you welcome death? (break) (out of car) (devotees begin kirtana) Hare Krsna.