Before this, before this movement I started ten years ago, so many svāmīs, philosophers came in the Western country. Not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. That is our challenge. And now you'll find thousands and thousands. Because, what is secret? "As it is," that's all. No change.
Mr. Sahani: But as it is, it is in Sanskrit, and it is very difficult to understand in the . . .
Prabhupāda: Not at all. What is the difficulty? Suppose:
- dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre
- samavetā yuyutsavaḥ
- māmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caiva
- kim akurvata sañjaya
- (BG 1.1)
So dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre. Kurukṣetra is still there, and it is a dharma-kṣetra. From Vedic order, Kurukṣetra is dharma ācaret. Still, people go there by thousands and by millions as pilgrimage. So where is the difficulty, dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre, unless you make difficulty? But as the literature is, dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre (BG 1.1), where is the difficulty to understand it? Kurukṣetra is there, and it is dharma-kṣetra. Where is the difficulty? Unless you make it difficult.
Ali: What is the meaning of "as it is."
Prabhupāda: "As it is" means Kurukṣetra is Kurukṣetra, dharma-kṣetra is dharma-kṣetra. That is "as it is."
Ali: Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa, Pāṇḍava is Pāṇḍava. That is "as it is."
Ali: Kṛṣṇa explains who He is.