Prabhupāda: That I am realizing, that Kṛṣṇa pushed, dragged me through all circumstances, that "These are useless." Niṣkiñcanasya bhagavad-bhajanonmukha . . . (CC Madhya 11.8). That is required. Just like Jagāi-Mādhāi, they were made to promise, "No more." "Yes, sir, no more." "Then I accept you. That's all right." "No." And they made it, kept their promise. They became faithful.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually you also demand of us that promise: "Now whatever you have done, never mind, but no more. Follow these four principles." That means if the devotees don't follow, then they will not make advancement.
Prabhupāda: They are breaking their promise. Before accepting them, I make him promise. They promise it. If they break, what can I do?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then the connection, the contract is finished.
Prabhupāda: This should be the principle: "No more this." Then he becomes fit. Āra nahe vākya.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore accepting initiation is a serious matter.
Prabhupāda: Initiation means seriously take up the . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vow.
Prabhupāda: And if you make it a fun business, then I become implicated, you become implicated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In what way does the spiritual master become . . .?
Prabhupāda: Well, this is then something.(?)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He has to work very hard on behalf of the disciple . . .
Prabhupāda: No. To accept his sinful reaction.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He does that.
Prabhupāda: It is not easy job to become a spiritual master. Yes. Then when it is overloaded, you'll suffer.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kṛṣṇa transfers the sinful reaction unto the spiritual master from the disciple?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Why? Is it because there will be such a heavy . . .?
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa says . . . That is the principle. This is, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi (BG 18.66). "You have to take all the sinful reactions." This is the principle, that Kṛṣṇa is God; He can nullify everything. But I am not God. When it is overloaded, I have to suffer. This is the principle that the Christian idea, that Christ takes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The trouble with the Christians is that they never relieved Christ. They go on sinning. That's not love.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The principle is that the spiritual master takes all the resultant sinful action, but the disciple also says that "Now, stop it. Otherwise my spiritual master . . ." That is gentleman. And "Now use that thing, go on taking our sinful reaction. We will go on with our own business."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's not loving at all. That is taking advantage.