Prabhupāda: Now, this is to be understood, how "You are all-pervading by Your influence, by Your power." That means "You are always there." "You" person is there. Just like a big man, big businessman, is sitting in his room, but he is all-pervading, all-pervading.
Dr. Patel: But he must have got special powers deputed to certain people. And these are that vibhūtis.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is vibhūti. That does not mean... Māyāvādī philosophy is: "Because He has spread everywhere, therefore He is imperson." He remains person, without any change, avyaya. But still, He is spread. That he is asking that "How I shall understand You, that You are spread everywhere." Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ (Bs. 5.37). That is... So we have to understand from Kṛṣṇa how He is all-pervading, not that mental speculation. "Just like if you take a thing and distribute all over, the original thing is lost." Not like that. Original Kṛṣṇa is there.
Dr. Patel: Pūrṇam idam (Īśopaniṣad, Invocation).
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
- kathaṁ vidyām ahaṁ yogiṁs
- tvāṁ sadā paricintayan
- keṣu keṣu ca bhāveṣu
- cintyo 'si bhagavan mayā
- (reads next verse while Śrīla Prabhupāda talks)
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. This is intelligence. How Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading, you have to learn from Kṛṣṇa and think like that. That is meditation. That is meditation, how Kṛṣṇa is all-per... Just like in the beginning also, Kṛṣṇa said, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8). So similarly, another explanation is going to be set up here.
Dr. Patel: Now
- śrī bhagavān uvāca
- hanta te kathayiṣyāmi
- divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ
- prādhānyataḥ kuru-śreṣṭha
- nāsty anto vistarasya me
Prabhupāda: Yes. So "If I go on speaking, there is no end. But some of the chief principles by which I am all-pervading, I shall speak to you."
Dr. Patel: And the first important:
- aham ātmā guḍākeśa
- sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ
- aham ādiś ca madhyaṁ ca
- bhūtānām anta eva ca
Prabhupāda: Yes, ady anta, this creation. Before this creation, Kṛṣṇa was there. Kṛṣṇa was there. When the creation is going on, it is maintained by Kṛṣṇa, and when it is dissolved, then it enters into Kṛṣṇa. Prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikam.