Revatīnandana: It happened. In Scotland there is one university, Stirling University, and the Queen visited there. And she was treated in a very insulting way by the students, and as a result of that, the university and those students, they were put into a great deal of trouble afterward. Of course, the Queen is not supreme anymore, but she still is sufficient.
Prabhupāda: No, no, I am giving an example. No, officially, she is the supreme of England. That you cannot deny. If you do so, then your position, you know. Similarly, anything . . . "Call a spade a spade." If everyone says that this is electric lamp, and if you say, "No, I don't say," then what can be done?
Student (3): But we can see an electric lamp, but we can't see Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: No, that . . . that is . . . you have to see through the śāstra, śāstra-cakṣuṣā. Just like you see the sun just like a disc, but when you go through the śāstra, authorized books, you understand that it is fourteen hundred thousand times bigger than this earth. So what is the value of your seeing? Why do you believe you're seeing so much? Your all seeing is defective. You cannot say that you are perfectly see. You cannot say that.
Student (1): Do you believe that there are other ways . . .
Prabhupāda: There is no question of belief. Now let us quest . . . we believe that, "If I see, that is all right." But what is the value of your seeing? You cannot see beyond this wall. Does it mean there is nothing? So what is the value of your seeing? First of all you consider. You are questioning that, "I cannot see," but what is the value of your seeing?
Student (3): My seeing the electric lamp tells me that it is . . .
Prabhupāda: Now, now, now, but you are seeing the electric lamp, but why do you believe so much on your seeing power? You cannot see so many things, even though you have got the eyes.
Student (3): I have no reason not to believe.
Prabhupāda: No, that is not good. If you say: "I cannot see beyond this wall. There is nothing," nobody will take your words.
Student (3): Well, I don't know about that. I can see the wall . . .
Prabhupāda: You can say you don't know, but you cannot say that because you do not see, therefore it is nothing. You cannot say that.
Student (2): We're not denying that Kṛṣṇa exists, but, well, you know . . .
Prabhupāda: You have to know by the process, by the process. You have to know by the process. Just like can you see your father?
Student (2): Can I see him?
Prabhupāda: Eh. You cannot see? You can see?
Student (2): Well, I can see him.
Prabhupāda: So how you can see? Who is your father, how you can see?
Student (2): Who is he? Who is my father?
Prabhupāda: Why? Why you accept somebody as your father? Why?
Student (2): Only because my mother told me.
Prabhupāda: Huh, that's right. (laughter) But you do not see. You do not see. So you have to believe the authority. Then you can see.
Student (2): Yeah. Yeah, but . . .
Prabhupāda: Your father existed before your birth, so you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says: "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy. Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.
Revatīnandana: So to come to your point, as he was pointing out, in the past, back hundreds of years, thousands of years, all the great authorities of spiritual knowledge and yoga have accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Personality of Godhead. And these ancient Vedas, they confirm it clearly in many, many places. Now, if someone comes and he says something else than Kṛṣṇa is God—"I am God" or "This light is God . . ."