Hari-śauri:
- na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
- prapadyante narādhamāḥ
- māyayāpahṛta-jñānā
- āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ
- (BG 7.15)
"Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest amongst mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me."
Prabhupāda: That's it. So you'll find everyone of this description, either sinful or lowest of the mankind or rascal or puffed-up with false knowledge. But the basic principle is: no God. So the only solution is let them first of all become God conscious. Then all solution. Otherwise there is no hope.
Dr. Kneupper: The problem is very complex . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, it must be complex. They will create complexity.
Dr. Kneupper: And the solution is very simple.
Prabhupāda: Solution. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etām . . . And that we are preaching, that "You become God conscious. Everything will be solved." And who is caring for us? Rather, they are giving opposition, that "These rascals are kidnapping our sons, brainwashing, controlling the mind," creating courts case. Just see. This is going on.
Dr. Kneupper: Do you see as a . . . When you're describing that if the world were going to be God conscious, it would . . .
Prabhupāda: Everything will be solved.
Dr. Kneupper: But you were describing the caste system or the . . .
Prabhupāda: This is not caste system. It is natural. There is always an intelligent class of men in the society. So they should be, what is called, listed. They should be trained up properly.
Dr. Kneupper: How do you envision . . .? Would you envision . . .?
Prabhupāda: Just like you are a philosopher. So you should not make only theories, "perhaps." But actually, by your philosophy, you establish the existence of God. Then you are philosopher. Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sviṣṭasya sūktasya . . . (SB 1.5.22). Find out this verse in the Bhāgavata. Avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito yad-uttamaśloka. If by your philosophical knowledge you prove, "Yes, there is God," then your philosophy study is perfect. And if you philosophize, "There is no God," that is useless waste of time. To gain popularity, if you make philosophy like . . . In your country there are so many rascal philosophers—Darwin, Freud. They are all rascals. They are predominant.