Svarūpa Dāmodara: So we can also see that according to the different shapes of the material bodies, different shapes and qualities of the material bodies . . .
Prabhupāda: Different opportunities . . . yes. According to consciousness we have got the shape of the body. If you have got dog's consciousness, then you get a dog's body. If you have got a god's consciousness, you get a demigod's body.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is the desire of the spirit soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante (BG 4.11). Freedom is given. Kṛṣṇa says: "Whatever you want, you can take." Yānti deva-vratā devān pitṟn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ (BG 9.25). Everything is freedom.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Then why is it in the Vaivarta Purāṇa, after traveling 8,400,000 species of life, we get this human form of life? Is that contradiction with the . . .?
Prabhupāda: No. Because in the lower form of life, the progress is by the laws of nature, and in the human form of life, you get consciousness development. Therefore you have got discretion. The other forms, they have no discretion: one after another.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No. My point being the . . . some human beings, they come without traveling through these 8,400,000 species.
Prabhupāda: Then he can come.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So this applies only to those living entities who are born . . .
Prabhupāda: They are advanced in consciousness. They are advanced in consciousness. Suppose you are advanced in consciousness. So you are not going to get the dog's body or cat's body. You get another human body. yoga-bhraṣṭo sañjayate (BG 6.41). yoga-bhraṣṭaḥ is not ordinary man. He is practicing yoga, but somehow or another could not fulfill.
Therefore he gets again human body. He does not get the cat's body, dog's body. So he directly comes to the human body. There is no question of evolution. Same example—the apartments are already there. If you can pay more, "Come on, this apartment is ready for you." Not that you have to come from the lower platform, lower animal apartment. Daiva-netreṇa. The judgment will be done by the higher authorities. They do not know that.
Karandhara: Prabhupāda, we should start going back.
Prabhupāda: Yes. karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa (SB 3.31.1). Your work, and supervision—higher authorities.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That is completely in contradiction with Darwin's theory.
Prabhupāda: Darwin's is a rascal. What is his theory? We kick on your face. That's all. That is our philosophy. The more we kick on Darwin's face, the more advanced in spiritual consciousness. He has killed the whole civilization, rascal.