Rāmeśvara: Now American culture is highly developed sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: That is always. Now they've got enough money, but how they will utilize? That is the only source, outlet.
Rāmeśvara: So as the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement increases its influence, then American culture will gradually change?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. As you have changed. You are American. Why not others?
Rāmeśvara: So the nightclubs and the cinema, this will be gradually...
Prabhupāda: Not required.
Rāmeśvara: ...given up.
Prabhupāda: They simply produce anxiety. When they will come to understand that they will get better engagement, automatically these nonsense things will be stopped.
Rāmeśvara: Television also.
Prabhupāda: They can be utilized.
Gurudāsa: Yes, they can be utilized.
Prabhupāda: In a different way.
Rāmeśvara: Formerly civilization did not have so many technological devices.
Prabhupāda: This is not civilization. They do not know what is civilization. Suppose a mechanic has constructed this car far better than me. That is not civilization. A good craftsmanship. If you do not know what is the aim of life, what is your duty, then what is your civilization? That they do not know. The first defect of the civilization is that they are taking account of these fifty or sixty years of life. Life is continuation. That they do not know. This life, I am getting this facility of this car; next life I become a tree. What is the advantage after fifty years, if you are going to be a tree, stand up for five hundred years? This philosophy they do not know. Tathā dehāntara-praptiḥ (BG 2.13). Here is the defect, that "You will have to change this body." They have become so dullheaded. "Oh, what is there? I change or die? It doesn't matter. Let me enjoy." This is the difficulty.
Rāmeśvara: Kṛṣṇa conscious government must be monarchy. A real Kṛṣṇa conscious government...
Prabhupāda: No. Why monarchy? You can continue democracy, but the legislators should be first-class men who has knowledge, not these rascals.
Rāmeśvara: But the real problem is the businessmen, because they can influence the mass of people by advertising.
Prabhupāda: The mass of people should be educated. Just like we are educating, "No meat-eating." So automatically the meat-selling, slaughterhouse will be stopped.
Rāmeśvara: There must be some controls. Otherwise...
Prabhupāda: Yes. Control must be there, that... This is very easy. The state cannot support or maintain slaughterhouse. If you want to eat meat, you kill animal at your home. But state cannot. So mass sinful activities, state cannot. So if the legislators and the head of the state are Kṛṣṇa conscious, they will understand the importance of this. So they can stop slaughterhouse. And the public agitation? "You can slaughter animal at your home. You have got the liberty, but state cannot maintain." What is the wrong there?
Rāmeśvara: What about buying books? There are so many books with nonsense ideas. That will have to be controlled also.
Prabhupāda: Yes. If the government is Kṛṣṇa conscious, they can control everything.
Rāmeśvara: That means the government will have direct controls over all different fields of business.
Prabhupāda: It has already. It has already.
Rāmeśvara: But in America the government cannot tell the publishing house, "You can only have Kṛṣṇa conscious books." They are tolerating books about sex, books about crime...
Prabhupāda: No, if you educate public that these are nasty things, in the school, colleges, where government has control, then automatically sale will be stopped.